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Jorge Quinta Nova

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  1. Hi Kevin, Answering your question, all portuguese military medal ribbons are 3 cm wide (since mid-XIX century). Normally, the 'buckles' are between 3,3-3,5 cm. If I saw that decoration on sale, I would consider it 2-in-1, because the "C" device, even if not for that medal, is a must have item. Jorge
  2. Kevin, There are several irregularities to be considered here: First, the ribbon is french size, so the portuguese 'buckle' will not fit. Second, as we know, the "C" device was only to be used in Valour and Good Services. I also believe that this medal was 'mounted' for ebay purposes, from several parts, but I simply keep an open mind towards the 'variations'. It is just a matter of knowing when were the 'alterations' made. As for the CEP, I must say that the political instability played a fundamental role in the outcome of events. In December 5, 1917, there was a military coup that put Si
  3. If I had this opinion in 1917, I would be emprisoned (and the keys thrown away). I would be a germanophile, a traitor and a pacifist... J.
  4. Kevin, Yes. I meant casualties, but came out with dead. 7,500 would be about 33% of the number of men - that would be a most grim number. Even so, my numbers must be wrong... Nevertheless, the Portuguese Army was not ready to fight in France. Not because they were less than the others, in quality, but because of the political instability in Portugal - that's my main point, anyway. Jorge
  5. Kevin, No problem. Things happen like they happen. It's History. As I heard my history, the allied left flank was made up of british troops and looking at the maps they ratreated as much as the portuguese. Only the right, to the south, was able not to be pushed back that much. As I understand, the German attack, 'Georgette' offensive, consisted of about 4 divisions (50,000 men). I believe that something would have happen eventually. In the historical defense of the Portuguese troops, I must say that they were to be relieved that day and that they were not getting replacements for some time.
  6. Kevin, In portuguese military medals, what is written in the decrees differs greatly from what people put in their chests. A good example is the wound bar for 'La Lys' (today is the 89th anniversary of the battle with the ultimate sacrifice of the Portuguese, with the famous Minho Brigade holding the advance of the german - I take the opportunity to honour this men who died for their country far away from home and from their country's real interests...). That wound bar - I was saying - was so important for the veterans that quickly transformed into a full size bar, as if it was a campaign. T
  7. Dolf, The Peninsular War Cross was created in June 28, 1816. You can see it here . The ribbon was originally has stated on the site, but then changed to this, for political reasons: The modern Military Valour medal has a very similar design, in hommage, no doubt, to this very beatiful and valuable decoration. Jorge
  8. Dolf, We never know. As for the newspaper collection, it was a third of the actual size and plastic... What I really wanted was a museum-quality certified replica of the Peninsular War Cross, which does not exist... (I'll keep dreaming...) Jorge
  9. Friends, I bought an item from that collection and never bought a second. The quality is, for me, bellow zero. The only good thing is that at least someone did it, unfortunetaly, the execution left much to be desired. On the other hand, I found this collection - link - which appears to be much better, finished in gold or silver. They are 2 very different collections indeed. Jorge
  10. Yankee, I've found the journal where that article is and bought it yesterday. Here is the link where you can see the summary. It was published in 2006. Jorge
  11. Hi, From my site , a small chronogram about the subject, which might explain the discrepancy (on the condition that the medal was not altered): 1919 11/9 - Decree nr. 6093 ? The following alterations are introduced to the Regulation of the Military Medal: - Creation of the copper degree for the Good Services medal; - Use of device "C", on the ribbon buckle, to indicate that a certain medal was won while in campaign, mainly Valor and Good Services. 30/10 - Creation of the Victory Medal (Vit?ria), "inter-allied commemorative medal", by decree
  12. Yankee, I'm in the 'business' for a bit over one year, and never saw this medal until I read your post. But now I'm certainly going to find out more in my investigations in the District Archives where they keep the official 'gazette'. I'm hoping to find a list of people who received this and other medals. Jorge
  13. Hi, Yankee I have no info on the medal itself, but I'm able to shed some light on the events that inspired it. The plague was in 1857, in Lisbon, caused by Yellow Fever. It is said to have killed 10% of the city's population. Many hospitals were raised, so I believe the medal was targeted at the people that worked there. History says that Lisbon stopped, people were afraid to leave their houses, streets were empty, shows were closed. Funeral processions were carried out only with priest and digger - well, plague environment all round... To show its importance, even King D. Pedro V visited so
  14. The names aren't very much help, but it might point to a 1912 expedition in Mozambique against the chief of the Yao in the area, mataca Chisonga (mataca being the title). I'm talking about what today is Niassa Province, in the northnest part of Mozambique. This expedition, organized by the Nyassa Company, was aimed at destroying an uprising of the Yao, which constantly raided the area and enslaved many people (their main business, and why the british also had an eye no the Yaos west of lake Nyassa - or lake Malawi). This expedition came to conclude another one in 1899 against the 'great' mata
  15. That's the problem, even if I see something is not according to regulations, I can't help being portuguese and start speculating about a soldier not obeying to regulations. And specially when I know that there was some discomfort in the late 1910's about not being an indication in the medal for combatants. I can't but wonder that a soldier wanted to enphasize that is was in the fighting, instead of the red cross guys and the clerks, eheheh I'm as optimist
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