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Once again Carol I thanks for the speedy reply and link, It seems to me that despite the possible uncertainty over it being an existing Royal House Order or a newly "Adopted Post Communist" award it has lost it's Communist look, which I thought it may do, break with the past etc etc.
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Carol I Thanks for the speedy reply
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Hi yet another award in my collection, I believe it to the the Order of Military Merit 6th class. Does this have the correct ribbon? and secondly, I have seen other pieces which have the Cypher on the obverse central medallion, My piece has a tricolour enamelled centre, as they only differ in the central medallion, would this identify any specific period that it would have been awarded?
Thanks for any input
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Alex K
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Out of curiosity have they reverted to the pre-communist design for the badge or don't you know?, As with the fall these regimes, decorations and symbolism seems to fallen out of favour
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Alex
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Hi Megan pretty stunning piece, it was of course also awarded by the People's Republic of Bulgaria from 1945 as the Order of Cyril & Methodius (The SS saintly description was dropped) and had a completely appearance, Does Bulgaria still award it now? (Post communist) and if so what appearance does it take?
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Alex K
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Just to add to the confusion, H Taprell Dorling in his book "Ribbons and Medals" seems to indicate that they are infact part of the same order but two divisions, ie civil and military,
any ideas?
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Alex
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jeff thanks for the info, so I assume that when Payne refers to these ?200 worth of forgeries, he probably refers to the NGS, he certainly seems to suggest this in the second paragraph I scanned.
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Alex
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Hi Ed thanks for the reply, I hear and understand what you say, to summise (and this not an accusation but a clarification) that the medals listed from his collection, see attached, may not be what they seem? I have specifically picked some of his MGS medals with high number of bars as an example. Are there any rolls that could actually verify if the recipients listed actually are entitled to them?
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Alex
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Hi Davey, Very interesting piece of memorabillia
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Alex
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Hi Jeff thanks for that, interesting, so are you saying that for example a medal awarded to a soldier that had say three clasps but may have had additional clasps fitted to which he was obviously not entitles to just to fill a space in the collection with regards to clasps??and?that?these?may?the?ones?he?refers?to?as having??200?worth?of?forgeries,?he?seems?meticulous?in?catalogueing?his?collection, I never realised that the recipient was not important, in fact I suppose that he's the most important aspect
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Alex
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hi kev, following on from your earlier post re officers/enlisted men in his collection, reading further into the book he lists a great number of enlisted men in his collection, which I must summise he feels to be genuine , so I assume from this that he is not specifically reffering to only officers in his collection, although it could be inferred that "Lower Ranks" were possibly more prone to "adjusting their entitlement", As I understand it, a good military career at the time, together with medals to show this, stood a person in good stead in civilan life, A trustworthy soul etc etc
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Alex
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Rick, I like the bit about the stone quarries! I suspect you are right, where's there's money there's gold as they say,
on a serious note, it does make it that more difficult for us who collect these things to know what's what, particularly if things are faked so many years ago and turn up looking totally authentic with years of ageing about them
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Alex
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Hi kev It's difficult for me to answer that question as I am only quoting verbatim from his book, I feel that he was (At the time) talking more about people not entitled to them rather than Renames, or it could be both, he doesn't elaborate unfortunately, I could be wrong however.
I can scan in the whole preface (Only three pages out of the 800 thankfully) for people to make their own interpretation, I just found it interesting that forgeries as he calls them is nothing new, one can make comparisons here with TR, Renamed British or the whole pile of cr*p one can find on Ebay, It seems to me that the problem has ben around for many years
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Alex
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I am reading a book by a gentleman named AA Payne LRCP,MRCS, entitled ?British and Foreign Orders War Medals and Decorations awarded to the Army and Navy?.
This is basically a catalogue of his medal collection which comprised of 2500 medals!
Mostly British but a high quantity of foreign decorations and is 800 pages long
These include amongst others 108 Naval General Service Medals 1793-1840 ranging from 1 clasp to 5 clasps + boat service (All catalogued)
Uncountable Waterloo and Military general Service Medals from 1-15 bars, and similar Army of India medals! (again catalogued)
Plus numerous quantities of other campaign medals. (catalogued)
To me the interesting point is the two following comments written in his book
Copies attached.
The whole point of this is that this book was written in 1911 !!
What chance do people have nearly a hundred years later when it comes to medal collecting, he admits that he had ?200 UKP worth of forgeries in his collection (1911 remember), that must have bought a whole lot of fakes In those days, I wonder where these forgeries ended up??
And we think we have problems with modern forgeries!
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I stand corrected, it is a Potez
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Thanks for the link. It does indeed say that they run parallel to each other so are infact two and not one, with two divisions as I had previously thought.
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Alex
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Interesting that, I never realised that they were to distinct orders
thanks for the info
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Hi Carol I Thanks for the information, I didn't realise that it was latin, I just assumed that it was cyrillic.
I thought that the order of merit came in two distinct versions, a civil and a military, the crosses being the same basic shape, but different colour and the addition of swords for the military version.
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Alex K
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Lukascz i don't know if this helps
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Alex
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...l%3Den%26sa%3DN
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Hi everyone very interesting, I must admit that I've never seen these conversions before, had I not have seen this post any cross looking like the ones posted that I may have come across, I would have dismissed as something produced by a biker in a silver plated M35 german helmet!!
you live and learn, very informative post
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Alex
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Axis Entry into Afrika medal Fake
in Germany: Third Reich: Wehrmacht Medals, Decorations & Awards
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This is a medal in my collection, Identified on other forums as a fake, (Unless someone can tell me different,) It seems that this was only ever made in bronze. I'm not certain if this is supposed to be a "Silver" version. on one side where the surface finish has come of there appears to be the a grey material from which it is made