paul wood

Which is why rather than spend all your money on medals a good amount should be spent on reference works, then there is no chance of being fooled by this nitrogenous waste. Mind you I am surprised this stuff would fool a visually impaired quarter-wit.

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So

Sounds about right Enzo. I think most of these unofficial medals are connected with the 1908 Young Turks revolution. Some are more self explanatory than others.

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One of the many souvenir medals issued in the early 20th century,   this depicts MohammedVthe standard work on Turkish orders and medals  Erureten has a page devoted to them. They are sometimes referred to as "Jewish" medals.

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I was born and bred 3 miles from Mitchan lot of family info in the parish church

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you will enjoy this https://mitchamhistorynotes.com/people/notable/worsfold/

Even mug shot of the old boy

paul

The Keibel family made russian orders from the late 1830s up till about 1910, first of the dynasty Wilhelm started as official supplier with kammerer (kk) then on his own (wk) in the 1860s he was succeeded by his son Julius (Ik) and his son Albert (AK) succeeded him around 1880 and remained official supplier till his death around 1910 with him the Keibel dynasty came to an end.

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Sorry dyslexia rules ko

paul

an Albert Kebel (AK) third class would be ideal and not expensive.

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Thank you Laurentius

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not over convinced by the red enamel or the wing nut

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I would have thought that Imperial Russian decorations, including Civil war ones (which many Germans received) would have been permitted, after all "my enemys enemy is my friend".

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I would sell my soul to the infernal one for either Aftab's or Miah's mercantile marine. Would be the jewel in the crown of the Indian Marine section of my collection.

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Mind you if some miscreant hadn't stolen his coat while he was in the British Museum the history of the 20th century might have been different, one only has to spend some time reading Das Kapital to realise how heavily it scarred him mentally.

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Agreed Peter however I think we would be stuffed if we had to name medals in Urdu.

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my guess is it is a United Arab Republic shooting award.

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Enzo,

Funnily enough I have encountered several 1st and 2nd class enamelled badges of the Military Order of St George of Lucca in aristoctatic European homes but have never seen the silver cross before, I assume it must be quite rare.

Best wishes,

Paul

Enzo,

You are a hero, never crossed my mind being in with Russian stuff.

I definitely owe you a few drinks.

All the best,

Paul

all i know is the collector who is in the great meeting place in the sky did most of his collecting 50s-70s and certainly nothing post early 1980s.

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Amongst a collection of assorted Russian material, which contains some nice material, this wierd Cross of St George appeared. It seems to be made of German silver which would suggest a manufacture date of the second quarter of the 19th century. the ide with St George is as normal but the obverse instead of the usual monogram as a crowned CL monogram. I have racked my brains but have got Rockall, Shannon and Hebrides. Anyone with any thoughts?

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No not on line  a casualty rollwas published some years ago by Farrington.

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Sepoy Shaiyadh? 2nd Punjab infy.

stuffed with the number.

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The Afghan and Sierra Leone ones I have encountered all commence with service number. wierd.

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Danish medals aren't far behind.

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1 hour ago, numis said:

In reply to Chechaco1: yes .However , the specimen you illustrate seems to lack the suspension

I think the plug makes that fairly obvious. Often widows or other relatives removed the suspension to convert them into "pocket pieces". One could easily restore the suspension. Any how with or without suspension a rare wee beastie.

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could it be members of the west indian regiment around the Sierra Leone "hut tax" war 1897-99?

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