Right, let me now step down my soapbox and inform Nick, and our other participants, that my question still has NOT been answered. Nick's answer is not the right one. Hi Marc, Welcome back,as mentioned at the the time it was a long shot, still gotta admit i enjoyed asking a question Christophe your question on the presidents, I thought this was a trick question after seeing this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Soviet_Union all the best, Nick