Hi Gordon, Many thanks for your reply, as I said I picked this up a long time ago and have never seen a picture of it anywhere, your advice is much appreciated. I have some other German medals, mainly Iron Crosses from years ago which I will post in the relevant section for all your expert advice. This is an excellent forum, the first I have ever joined and this was my first post so I hope I got everything correct. I hope as I go along if I make any mistakes that you gentlemen will put me right. Thanks again, Mike.