demir

Hello,

The wings on the Turkish pilot badges shown in the photos below are all looking downward toward the bottom right. All the badges I have known were like those until I noticed a photo of Captain Buddecke; he is wearing a badge and wings are looking upward toward the top right.

Is this a variation or was it an early type?

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A German badge made by the same company with the same letters, actually exact same pinback.. So this must be a fake badge as well..

No, as Chris said it is probably good, but who ever he was he got the pin similar to that badge and attached it to the medal.

and again as Chris says: If Preissler DID make TWM back then.... why are they unknown? Why is just one or two on the market?

Pilots:

1. Major Erich Serno

2. Captain Oswald Boelcke, Liman von Sanders and Captain Buddecke

3. Pilot Fuat Çakar

1. Pilot Major Erich Serno

2. Pilot Oberleutnant Hans Joachim Buddecke, Liman von Sanders and Pilot Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke

Rothe Wien:

Ges. Gesch:

Here are 3 fakes or let's say copies which were not made by the makers written on them.

Rose Schwerin, Rothe Wien and Ges.Gesch (gesetzlich geschützt -protected by law - I think only the pin).

Please read the threads on these medals.

I bought the Rose Schwerin from a seller in Aachen for 250 euros and after discussion in this forum,

I got in touch with the seller and without saying a word he refunded me. The words Rose Schwerin were applied later, even applied twice.

Rose Schwerin:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/47023-turkish-war-medal-made-by-hrose-schwerin/

Rothe-Wien:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56057-turkish-war-medal-maker-rothe-wien-another-fake/?hl=rothe

Ges. Gesch:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56058-turkish-war-medal-ges-gesch-sign-on-the-pin/

Rothe Wien:

Here are 3 fakes or let's say copies which were not made by the makers written on them.

Rose Schwerin, Rothe Wien and Ges.Gesch (gesetzlich geschützt -protected by law - I think only the pin).

Please read the threads on these medals.

I bought the Rose Schwerin from a seller in Aachen for 250 euros and after discussion in this forum,

I got in touch with the seller and without saying a word he refunded me. The words Rose Schwerin were applied later, even applied twice.

Rose Schwerin:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/47023-turkish-war-medal-made-by-hrose-schwerin/

Rothe-Wien:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56057-turkish-war-medal-maker-rothe-wien-another-fake/?hl=rothe

Ges. Gesch:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56058-turkish-war-medal-ges-gesch-sign-on-the-pin/

Rose Schwerin :

That is the point Muhittin, this maker (Preissler Pforzheim) was not the maker, IMO somebody else used that makers pin to make this medal.

While the pin was attached, the word Preissler somehow was blurry and some letters at the end was carved by hand.

DEAR FRIENDS,

I AM VERY SORRY TO INFORM YOU THAT

RICK LUNDSTRÖM

PASSED AWAY 17 SEPTEMBER 2013 IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT.

HE WAS A GREAT RESEARCHER WHOM I ADMIRED VERY MUCH.

REST IN PEACE DEAR FRIEND.

Demir

Hi,

This medal is found in the USA.

It has Preissler Pforzheim written on its pin. The medal itself is one of the worst made medals I have seen. IMO the pin is added on the fake medal recently. The pin might taken from another lapel pin made by this company.

Best wishes

Demir

Ludwig III of Bavaria

Hello,

The latest addition to my Korean War collection is explained through the words of the seller:

" KOREA 5. TURK TUG. YILBASI HATIRASI". (Korea 5th Turkish Brigade New Year Memento)

“Unused presentation plaque from the "Turkish Brigade" in Korea. The plaque consists of a 4 3/8" dia. enamel and brass emblem mounted on a 11.5" x 8.5" x 1/2" wooden backing together with a blank engraveable 3 3/4" x 3/4" metal plate. As shown in the third photo the plaque has folding wooden stand in back so that it can be stood or hung by the string.

The emblem consists of a map of North and South Korea in yellow on a light blue backgroud. The cities of Kunuri and Pusan are also located. Kunuri was the site of the Turks toughest battle and where they lost the most men. There is a Turkish soldier holding a globe and laurel wreath (symbol of the United Nations) with 1955 thereon. There is the muslim cresent and star in white as per the Turkish flag. the inscription around the bottom reads, " KOREA 5. TURK TUG. YILBASI HATIRASI". (Korea 5th Turkish Brigade New Year Memento - d)

The wood back has what appears to be some plugged holes showing the wood was probably recycled. The engravable metal plate is tarnished and needs to be polished. The plaque was obtained from my father-in-law who was the U.S. Turkish Liaison Detatchment Commander in Korea from Oct '54 - Feb '55.”

Regards

Demir

Hello,

The latest addition to my Korean War collection (which I did not receive yet) is explained with the words of the seller:

" KOREA 5. TURK TUG. YILBASI HATIRASI". (Korea 5th Turkish Brigade New Year Memento)

“Unused presentation plaque from the "Turkish Brigade" in Korea. The plaque consists of a 4 3/8" dia. enamel and brass emblem mounted on a 11.5" x 8.5" x 1/2" wooden backing together with a blank engraveable 3 3/4" x 3/4" metal plate. As shown in the third photo the plaque has folding wooden stand in back so that it can be stood or hung by the string.

The emblem consists of a map of North and South Korea in yellow on a light blue backgroud. The cities of Kunuri and Pusan are also located. Kunuri was the site of the Turks toughest battle and where they lost the most men. There is a Turkish soldier holding a globe and laurel wreath (symbol of the United Nations) with 1955 thereon. There is the muslim cresent and star in white as per the Turkish flag. the inscription around the bottom reads, " KOREA 5. TURK TUG. YILBASI HATIRASI". (Korea 5th Turkish Brigade New Year Memento - d)

The wood back has what appears to be some plugged holes showing the wood was probably recycled. The engravable metal plate is tarnished and needs to be polished. The plaque was obtained from my father-in-law who was the U.S. Turkish Liaison Detatchment Commander in Korea from Oct '54 - Feb '55.”

Paul,

My friend warned me about "son of" (AbdülkadirZADE), like in Scottish " Adamson" etc.

Regards

Demir

Hi Paul,

A friend from my Turkish War Medal Facebook Group translated it as:

Ottoman Turkish: Yaver-i hazreti şehriyar Emir Abdülkadirzade kaymakam Abdülmalik 1313 (1898)

Todays Turkish: Padişah Yaveri Emir Abdülkadir oğlu yarbay Abdülmalik 1898

English: Aid-de-Camp to the Sultan son of Emir Abdülkadir lieutenant colonel Abdülmalik 1898 (Emir might be a name or in this case most probably means an Arab Prince - Emir is chief of an Emirate )

Best wishes

Demir

Yes I also found out that there is a hard to find English version. Thanks.

Hello Rick,

I don't know why I taught that you were asking campaign clasps in my second thread although you have written ribbon bars, sorry.

I will ask to the members of my Group whether they have one.

Regards

Demir

Some more campaign clasps from Liu Jian.

KAFKASYA (CAUCASUS)- ÇANAKKALE - KANAL (KANAL)(Suez)

Here are some photos that you may get interested in looking, I think I copied them some time ago from a GMIC member LIU JIAN although I can not find him now to ask better resolution photos.

Anyway here are the pictures:

OK.

I will get in touch with a member of my Facebook Ottoman Medals Group, he has some in his collection.

Regards

Demir

Hi Rick,

We had a thread on the Turkish Ribbon Bars March 2, 2009.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/34522-turkish-ribbon-bars/

or in the Ottoman Medals Group:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.454902361226892&type=1

But I think you are asking better resolution and back scans also..

Regards

Demir

Hi,

Can we identify the maker of this screw-back TWM.

Thanks

A friend of mine confirmed it as a Turkish cavalry troopers sword and supplied this link:

http://www.antiqueswordsonline.com/turkish-c-ww1-cavalry-trooper-sword

Regards,

Demir

I knew that you would like it

TWM - You will remember this one and the lines on the both sides of the hinge.

But beware this has makers marks on it.

Now on sale eb.

it is "Godet Berlin Silber, Türkischer Halbmond, Glasemaille, mehrteilig"

item no. 251329559882