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      Korean War Turkish Troops outfit and badges

      in Turkey

      Posted · Edited by demir

      Hi,

      I bought a 50 cm baton from a flea market in Istanbul today. The baton has its original tassel.

      It is made of wood and mother of pearl inlays on it. Mother of pearl 'KOREA -1957-58' is written in the middle and 4 small diamond shape figures are located 8 cm before the tip . The mother of pearl piece is missing at the tip.

      The handle is silver with an enamel 'Northern Star' insignia attached on the side and the enamel star and crescent of the Turkish flag at the top.
      Above the star 'TURKIYE' is written.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/koremadalyasi/

      Enjoy

      Demir

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      "The Turkish War Medal" - A Book Review

      in Turkey

      Posted · Edited by demir

      Hi,

      I would like to add 4 clasps (ANNEX 3 of the book) which were somehow lost during the process of reading, re-reading and arranging the pictures.

      Galicya (Galicia), Romanya (Romania), Sakarya (The name of the battle during the Independence War 23 August-13 September 1921) and Tarblusgarp (Tripoli).

      Sorry for the quality of the pictures. (May be because of this reason they were not included! :banger: )

      Regards

      Demir

      PS: Bottom right Tripoli

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      "The Turkish War Medal" - A Book Review

      in Turkey

      Posted

      Hi,

      I don't understand why you are suggesting this but,

      in the beginning I also applied to the Ministry of Defense, Directorate of Archives, and I got a letter saying that they have no information about the War Medal and I had to apply Prime Ministry General Directorate of State Archives, Head of Section for Ottoman Archive in Istanbul, but I found every thing that I am looking for in the State Archive in Ankara because I was only looking for the regulations and they have the old Officials Gazettes in their library.

      If you are suggesting this in order to find the number of the medals that was issued, it is another project of mine if I manage to find a help like I had in Ankara, who can read old Ottoman documents since they are written in old script ( Arabic script).

      Regards

      Demir

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      "The Turkish War Medal" - A Book Review

      in Turkey

      Posted · Edited by demir

      I have received and read this very comprehensive and accessible and almost complete monography with great interest. It filled a gap in my library and I am grateful that Demir took it upon him to examine this decoration and share his knowledge with the world wide community.

      However, I have been looking for the numbers of awards made (to Turkish recipients, to Germans and others) because that puts a medal or decoration into perspective.

      The book also refers to the Imtiyaz and Liyakat Medals, which gives it an extra dimension; this chapter tingles my appetite for more information, like numbers issued, variations, sizes, awards to non-Ottoman recipients, etc. (perhaps another project?).

      As a writer about medals and military subjects I realize that nothing is perfect, but striving for perfection kills the publication of final output, because 100% is impossible. Once closed, new and other interesting facts appear, but the author has a final. Therefore Demir, I hope that this success will encourage you to exhibit more information about the Ottoman medals and decorations, I want it all!

      Carry on Demir!

      Hi,

      When I discussed my book project with you in Amsterdam, the month was I believe December 2010 or January 2011, long time ago, I was in the early stages of writing. It was just before you finished your article titled "De Keizerlijke Osmaanse oorlogsdecorative van 1915" in the Dutch magazine "Wereld in Oorlog" (number 9 in the sources section of my book) which was really a big contribution to the TWM community, you kindly encouraged me to continue on writing.

      The problem what you are asking now is several but the main two are: 1. I don't know old Arabic script Turkish, so I need somebody to translate them for me (Which I used this option in this book) 2. After the end of the war, it was hard to follow the track of the medals awarded especially by the German commanders after the armistice 30 October 1918 as mentioned in the book (page 35). Still, I will try to find out when I go to Istanbul Ottoman Archives.

      For the other medals there are 2 perfect well written books by Edhem Eldem (the History of Ottoman Order and Medals) and Metin Erüreten (Ottoman Medals and Orders - History and Documents).

      Thanks for your kind remarks :)

      Regards

      Demir

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      "The Turkish War Medal" - A Book Review

      in Turkey

      Posted

      I found Demir's book on TWM's excellent. From a historical prospective he dealt with good explanations that got to the point. This enabled me to get the background on the things that needed to be covered without long boring explanations. In addition he covered photos of documents, cases and various packets. Excellent photos of TWM's of Turkey and German origin and their manufacturing differences to include the hinges, pins and clasps. There were several examples to compare and lust after. This type of reference was long overdue and Demir has now filled that void. Demir was able to create one book that is bilingual from English to Turkish. Thank you Demir for providing a long overdue reference on one of our favorite awards. Thank you Demir for your fine reference.

      Thanks Rocky,

      Although I already thank you in the acknowledgements of the book, I would like to thank you again for your contributions and giving me the motivation..., :jumping:

      Regards

      Demir

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      "The Turkish War Medal" - A Book Review

      in Turkey

      Posted

      Thanks Mike,for your nice comments on my book.

      I tried my best to write a book which would be useful to the TWM admirers.

      Apart from Dr. K. G. Klietmann's work there was no research book about the Turkish War Medal. I hope this book will be covering every subject about the Turkish made War Medal. I tried to give all the information that I managed to found about the Medal.

      As I mentioned in the preface of the book,

      " my fellow Gentleman’s Military Interest Club Members (GMIC); Chris Boonzaier for permitting to publish the hand written War Medal German document and Terry Gest, Matthew Calderone, Muhittin Akdeniz for the pictures of the War Medal and other Members for threading on this subject on the Club’s website, "

      the threads and questions of the GMIC Members also was an incentive to write it.

      Thanks again,

      Demir

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      Korean War Turkish Troops outfit and badges

      in Turkey

      Posted

      Hi,

      The pictures of NCO Suleyman Keskin, a Korean War Veteran (from the album of Mr.Tosun Saral's (with his permission) friend Mr. Cuneyt Hatipoglu) is a good example for the patches on the uniform. :cool:

      In the first picture Suleyman Keskin was wearing a Turkish style uniform. In the group picture they all were wearing American uniforms.

      Regards

      demir

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      J.H.WERNER Turkish War Medals with the date 333

      in Turkey

      Posted · Edited by demir

      http://militarianz.f...1333-t2229.html

      Not according to this bunch . Rob

      Hi Rob,

      I checked that thread. Only the first picture is the Ottoman make, the rest who knows.

      Information given there about the Ottoman Made Medal in the first paragraph is OK. Who produced 2nd and 3rd one needs clarification.

      The facts about the TWM is in my recently published book named "the Turkish War Medal".

      Regards

      Demir

      Regards

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      J.H.WERNER Turkish War Medals with the date 333

      in Turkey

      Posted · Edited by demir

      So what is the significance of the missing 1 ? I have just purchased a Turkish 3rd pattern and this is missing the 1 , why would the Turks miss a 1 out ? . Cheers Rob

      Hi,

      These were not made by the Turks. These were all foreign made. Turkish made red lacquer painted original ones have the date 1333 on them.

      Please read the threads on this subject: http://www.wehrmacht...ad.php?t=567051

      Regards

      Demir

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