Eric Stahlhut

the officer from the 5th regt not only has the ek2 and turkish star, he has an ek1!

WOW!

p.s. perhaps he received the awards for losing his left eye? too bad we can't see if he has a wound badge as well

hi sascha,

just curious--how is the fit of the hinge to the rear of the cross-- is the hinge fully soldered on, or is it attached in the same fashion as my example? 

 let's not forget about how the pandemic has affected our hobby. thanks to the dreaded "spicy cough" there have been very few local flea markets, garage sales, and other similar venues. no more easy pickings for people who know what they are looking at

On 14/03/2022 at 19:53, v.Perlet said:

Hello Eric Stahlhut,

 

The real problem to me is the extreme rise in fakes due to those ever increasing prices.

 

Regards

Andreas

Exactly, this is ultimately the greatest threat to our hobby, in my opinion

On 13/03/2022 at 11:13, BlackcowboyBS said:

I love that german saying, is there an english equivilent to it? I know: to keep your power dry but I am not sure if there is a closer translation to it. 

"trust in god and keep your powder dry" --oliver cromwell, early 1800s

"keep your eyes peeled" is what i say over here in the new world

i don't know about you gentlemen, but personally, it's been extremely difficult to source decent iron crosses lately unless one is prepared to pay ridiculous prices, which i refuse to do! for me, part of the satisfaction of collecting comes from finding things that are "out in the wild" and not on a dealer website or on a dealer's table or store

Bund Deutscher Krieger, and the A could be the town?

If he customized his dkig or dkis there's a good chance that he did the same to his other badges, too

i'mn not selling anything, i was referring to the very rare two incuse-marked crosses whose maker has yet to be determined

On 24/01/2022 at 03:43, Graf said:

Welcome!

especially the picture of my own crosses ?? ?

v. Perlet-- nothing wrong with that clamshell

years ago, the forum went through an upgrade, and unfortunately many of the attachments did not "upgrade" automatically. on some old threads the pictures have to be processed manually in order to be included in the latest version

wow, that's something you don't see every day.

i've always wondered how "permanent" that finish was-- if it came off naturally through time and wear, or did original owners have to dedicate some degree of effort to remove it because they didn't like the verdigris look 

yes, i recognized it. this is only the third example i've ever encountered of that type in any condition. the rarest! too bad it seems to lack the incused crown/moon/800 hallmark.

thank you for the additional pictures!

another

ww2 US cap badge backing plate used as the replacement backing plate

i was going to throw on a couple of werners to accompany graf's op cross, but during my search i found this one-piece, nonmagnetic ugly duckling:

on this petz & lorenz, the rub marks on the reverse of the cross actually match up with the replacement cruciform backing plate

9 hours ago, v.Perlet said:

 

 

rather the opposite I would assume, since it seems to be about the "four" against the rest of the world.

Probably some nationalist or Freikorps like organization.

 

Can't get anything out of the internet in regards to this: WELTDENK

 

All of the allied countries are listed on an oak tree--a huuuuge symbol of strength and endurance in teutonic culture 

the word weltdenk means that the world stops to reflect (on the war). that's why i hinted at a pacifist/antiwar organization, of which there were many during the 20s, early 30s in germany

10 hours ago, Graf said:

 

hiya, graf--any further images of this one? i like the field-repaired/adapted ones, as sometimes the materials used can tell a story.

10 hours ago, Graf said:

Here's an interesting badge made by hofstatter in bonn. it's larger than a DRA or DRL badge. reference sticker on reverse (peter groch) states they also came in bronze and silver grades, 1935, and that they've sold for a decent amount at a past HH auction.

Has anyone been able to identify this organization yet?

maybe religious or lefty-pinko-banned-political-party pacifistic anti-war memorial?

doesn't mean the cross is bad, this sort of thing happened all of the time (as vince says) bitd. sometimes the secondary attachments were done crudely and sometimes they were done very artfully. 

still like it! 

i've just realized something very obvious regarding the attachment system. the back of the cross has a circular rub mark which means it had a circular retaining disc. maybe the rub mark came from that black piece of gunk on the cruciform backing plate, hard to tell with these pics

the manufacturing process for the body of the cross was basically the same, and there were certain stipulations that had to be followed such as dimensions, etc. each maker generally had their own dies for the frames and core components, so each maker can posess unique design characteristics. if you are serious about learning more, the information is right under your nose. please take some time to read the old threads

many of the "fancier" attachment systems were patented, such as the KMSt, Meybauer, AWS types, so if you find an unmarked version with a certain type of attachment it's a pretty safe bet it's from a certain maker

sometimes cores and frames were outsourced, and that's why we find "generic" crosses that are hard to identify because they do not display any unique characteristics from any particular maker. there were manufacturers of components that sold them wholesale to smaller outfits

for me the screwback werner is just fine-- i have a well worn unmarked example, but it has a period-replaced disc and backing plate, so i can't definitively say whether the attachments on graf's are proprietary. sure looks good, though!

here's the obverse.

i think that when these first came out the story that was attempted to be spun regarding these was that they were kaiserliche marine award pieces or something along those lines, which was a spurious attemp to explain the mark above the hinge. they really blew it when they decided to place the K.A.G. mark under the pin instead of on that nice fat wide pin

unfortunately this version is considered to be a fake .  i have a cased (fake case as well) example that i obtained quite cheaply about 10 years ago

not surprised to read that this superb bar is an ex-p. groch piece. fantastic bar from a fantastic collection!

excellent!!

intriguing! is it a mini or prinzen-sized version? seems that a regular-sized cross would make for an oversized bracelet--especially for a lady