Billy G

I'm obviously late to the party on this thread. The initial Polizei bayonet posted appears to be a modern reproduction IMHO. These have been around for at least 15 years & some are rather well done, as is this one. Most will be double marked by WKC, the mark lacks requisite detail upon close inspection . Although detailed, the hilt will lack much of the superior detailing of the original 3R/Weimar era Polizei bayonets. The examples that are slotted will exhibit an elongated mortise button, as this one does. The grip emblem, slough aluminum like originals, lacks the detail or a period produced piece. Some will show grey color wood grip plates & others will have newer looking stag. Many are an amalgam of period & modern parts, some are outright reproductions.

Vic, Outstanding piece indeed, many thanks for sharing. I could see this piece causing someone to consider collecting EKs as a niche. Some guys have all the luck, & I know I ain't one of them!

Jim, I think the letters that accompany this logo are "WFP", Denny's got a nice one, mine's got a mint blade but the grip plates are deteriorated in an unusual way that's sometimes seen on the early wood type plates.

Great dagger and picture. The eagle is nicely set, I rfeally would think if it was a refit that there would be considerably more evidence of it in the grip wood. I really do wish we had more info on these daggers. I suppose the reason many of us find them so attractive is the fact we really don't know too much about them and I do like the slight mystery aspect of them.

Fellows, Excellent topic, and dorry for coming to the party late. Here's my example, an salty, early SA by Konejung. I purchased it thinking it might be a Marine SA. The price was right so I figured I could always flip it again in the event it was just a collector's bad paint job. I recently sent another dagger to Tom Wittmann for verification so I included this one since I wanted another opinion. Tom verified the black paint job was period and even smapped a few pictures of it for his upcoming tome on SA daggers. I was always happy with the piece as I felt it had some character but now I'm even more pleased with it.

Dutchman, An absolutely beautiful dagger and a rare maker indeed. I wasn't sure if Kaiser stopped before WWI or during but I know they produced nothing post WWI. Anything I've seen by Carl Kaiser was certainly pre Imperial or Imperial at the latest. To date yours is the first naval I've seen but I have noticed several Kaiser hirschf?ngers, a dress bayonet and a fire official's dagger. Not much else out there I'm afraid but a great maker's mark and blade, congrats.

Jim, I remember that piece, it's still awesome! I have yet to get one of these nice bayonets, the prices on them has risen quite steadily but their apparent quality keeps me in the hunt. JTW, A beautiful piece as well, congrats.

Brian, I'll have to recheck Tom's book, I don't remember seeing any references to cut down DLV's. The one pictured is the piece in question with the blade edge making me think the blade was originally longer and factory cut down to conform to the newer regulations. I guess what I'm asking is was this done to the blades and new scabbards made for the shorter blades? Everything else on the dagger points to a super early piece, scabbard staples, cardboard scabbard and a lack of any waffenampt marks. Sounds good to me anyway

Hi Brian, Great DLV! I've always wanted one but haven't yet been able to get past the asking price of such a piece. I do have a transitional DLV with all the trappings except the rattlesnake chape on the scabbard. I've always thought the blade edge looked "cut down". Do you have an example of what a cut down blade edge would look like? Were the 55 cm pieces cut down to shorter versions and reissued? This piece has "FL. Sch 017" in crude lettering on the crossguard underside, which I presume to stand for Fliegerschule 017. Any ideas?

Although I've never seen a Seilheimer Luftwaffe dagger, I would think it to be a rare bird indeed. I've seen both Seilheimer logos on Heer daggers, the "PS" logo several times and the dog logo just once. I've also seen Seilheimer bayonets previously, the dog logo on a dress K98 bayonet and I have a fireman's bayonet with the "PS" logo.

Gordon, Beautiful pieces indeed. I have a "26" of the Russian horde and have always thought it the most beautiful thing, probably because it was my first EK but I see your point about the curvature of the S&L. I have an EK II by S&L but I figured comparing it to the "26" would be like apples and oranges.