Alan

I was wandering can someone explain how the system of classifying awards from Modell to Form (Ausgabe) works please? What are the requirements for each

For example:

Model denotes = Die Change, addition of swords

Form denotes = Materials used from Gold, Silver Gilt, Silver

Thanks

Alan

13 hours ago, saschaw said:

I agree this medal looks convincing and is probably authentic, but I do have to add there's hardly a way to be 100 % sure. It's not much trouble to electroplate a more common silver medal with a gold layer.

 

Unless they are cheap (or mounted in an authentic NCO group!), I do not touch these anymore. That being said, the "inconsistency in finish from front to back" is actually a good sign for an old gold finish!

 

 

So true Sascha,  it is certainly an easy way to upgrade. for profit.

In the end I did purchased this one as I liked the finish and the price wasn't excessive.

1 minute ago, BlackcowboyBS said:

well as the second photo claims, that Wilhelm Spathelfer was a teacher before he went to war. The small village he died is called Auchy not Aurhy! also the day of his death seems to be 9th of january not September. 

 

You can find a photo of Auchy from 1915 here a map of this area here  In this area there was the 6th army corps, which mainly was built by bavarian soldiers, operating. Some text on this area also here  and there! This might helpy you a bit. 

Thank you, this is very helpful. 

Not sure why I wrote September…old age I guess.

1 hour ago, Bayern said:

gewidmet von seiner freund 

Nice one, thank you

Hello Guys,

I have these 2 items that came together and I would like to find out all I can.

The photo is large format and I am assuming is of Wilhelm Spathelfer.

The document is a dedication from his friend Emil Gärtner which I have translated as:

Jesus said: I am the resurrection and the life John 11:25

To Commemorate Wilhelm Spathelfer, Teacher. Dedicated by (v. f. ??) friend Emil Gärtner

He died a hero's death for the fatherland at Aurhy on the 9th September 1915 in the war year 1914/15.

No one has greater love than this, he lays down his life for his friends John 15:13

Can anyone tell me what the v. f. in "gewidmet v.f. Freund Emil Gärtner" means please?

Also I cannot find a reference to Aurhy or when translated Authy.

The battle at Soissons, Aisne River 8th - 14th Jan. 1915 fits the date mentioned.

Where might I find any service history for these 2 men?

Many thanks

6 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

 

Right now, the closest possible match is Werner Hildebrandt from IR 98. As of April 1918, he had the EK1, Cent, LK and SLK. He had enought service to get the DA after the war. If he is the Hauptmann Hildebrandt whose HOH3X was gazetted in late 1918, the combination would be a match. I cannot say for certain, though. And, since there are many as yet unknown LK-recipients, other candidates might appear.

 

Wow Dave, thank you for all your efforts, totally unexpected result so far.

Looking forward to see what comes out next.

2 hours ago, laurentius said:

I'm glad to say you are wrong, because this bar is a rare little bird. When it comes to Lippe there were two states: Lippe-Detmold and Schaumburg-Lippe. Due to a succession crisis in the 1890's which required the 'guiding' hand of Emperor Wilhelm II there was still some animosity at the start of WW1. This is the reason why cross-Lippe awardings and recipients with decorations from both states are rare. 

 

I can't guarantee an identification, but I believe it is worth a try. Won't be many people with this combo and you could cross of those with additional decorations that do not show up on the bar.

 

Kind regards, Laurentius

Well this is good news, thankyou Laurentius.

2 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I agree, it's an unusual combo, I would guess to a Hauptmann or Major. Daniel, where are you?

1 hour ago, Daniel Krause said:

Here ?

 

very nice bar!

congrats!

indeed a quite unusual Combo and indeed most likely a Major.

active guy, sure a Captain in 1914, WW1 Major,  maybe retired Lt Col.

 

we are still short of good info on Lippe-Detmold recipients, but sooner or later I am sure, this bar gets a Name back.

 

best,

Daniel

Thankyou Vince and Daniel. 

1 hour ago, David M said:

Theoretically, how many possible recipients could there be? Just wondering 

My thought is that this combination doesn‘t have anything unusual or rare about it. Hopefully I‘m wrong about that, maybe there is a pic with it in wear somewhere.

I thought I would share this Ordensspange.

When I bought it, the second space was empty and I have since  added a nice Wagner HOH Knight‘s Cross.

Not researchable I fear, but a great colourful bar none the less.

22 hours ago, Trooper_D said:

I can't add anything to his military career but there is some information about this interesting man - including how he became a Freiherr - and the estate in Northern Ireland he lost, here, 

 

https://theirishaesthete.com/2016/06/06/hanging-on/

Thanks Trooper_D for the link.

Adjutant to the Commander of the Cadet Corps

Governor of the Royal Pages in the Prussian Army

6 hours ago, saschaw said:

You mean, one like this? I think that's a modern print from my archive, but it should get the job done...

 

 

This is fantastic Sascha, Thank you.

It's great to see Ernst Kreuz in wear and his medalbar.

Hello gents,

What can you tell me about the military record of this fellow?

I understand he was a German Baron and served as an adjutant for the 66 infantry brigade which seems to be part of the Prussian 4th or 5th Guards.

He inherited an estate from his grandfather in the United Kingdom around 1910 which he had to leave in 1914 at the outbreak of the war. After the war the British Government sold the estate under the terms of the Trading with the Enemy Amendment Act of 1914.

Does anyone have a picture of him during the war?

Can someone translate the body of his award document for the Ernst Kreuz at all?

His ordenspange can be found here 

Many thanks

Hi Guys,

I would like to find out a little more about this award.

I know these came marked with  designer O. Pech and sometimes with maker L. Chr. Lauer, Nürnberg 

Is there away to tell the award types, ie were they always made from silver and marked silber 990, and the earlier types from the later?

Why some have the makers name and some do not. I think Lauer was the sole maker but not positive.

Many thanks

Thanks Sascha for the extra information, most interesting.

Neal O‘Conner‘s Book on Württemberg references a study by Klietmann at 106 war time awards.

Here's one offered recently. It appears to be a very nice original with separately mounted swords and crown with the nice K.M.S.T. catch to boot.

Thanks for taking the time to share this information Dave

2 hours ago, jaba1914 said:

Great display Alan.

There is one more cross you can add to your collection.

Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha Kriegserinnerungszeichen

It is post war award but match to your collection

Kind regards
Alex

Thanks Alex

14 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

Great collection Alan, but you're missing the 'first class' of the Anhalt Friedrich Kreuz, and where is the Oldenburg equivalent?

Hi Vince,

Anhalt‘s Friedrich Kreuz is an unofficial award so doesn‘t count for me.

11 hours ago, GreyC said:

Hi,

I am not familiar with these, but isn´t the Oldenburg cross the one next to the EKI on the left (from looking at it)?

Best,

GreyC

Hi Grey,

You are correct.

It's always nice to complete something....On to the next goal

On 24/08/2018 at 07:42, dond said:

Here is a recent fake of the Saxon Altenburg cross that sold on ebay.de recently. Note the soft details when compared to the one above.

Thanks Don for posting the pics. I see it went for 557Euro, pricey filler.

4 hours ago, tompress said:

Wieght is 38 g according to this website:

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/herzog-ernst-medaille-1-klasse-mit-schwertern-steckkreuz.html

greetings
Tomasz

Thanks Tomasz

I am also hoping to get some weights from other sources for comparision.

Best

Alan

Does anyone know the weight of a Sachsen-Altenburg Herzog Ernst Medaille Steckkreuz please?

On 27/05/2018 at 06:46, VtwinVince said:

Not the best photos, but I think it looks good. These things are very scarce.

It looked ok to me when compared to what I could find online. So I took a chance on it.

Like you say scarce.

Thank you for commenting.

Hi Guy, 

Just tripping around Germany at the moment and I came across this...

I know the pics aren‘t the best but does anyone have one to compare?

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/ehrenkreuz-mit-krone-und-schwertern.html

Any input would be great.

Alan

Thank you Seeheld and again for your help.

7 hours ago, seeheld said:

Hi Alan,

wow, you have a very nice collection already.

Please be so kind and show us the silver and gold crosses from the Order of the Wendian Crown.

Regards Seeheld

Thank you Seeheld, here they are.

10 hours ago, laurentius said:

Dear alan

Although I am a collector of awards from the German States and awards from WW1 my mecklenburg collection is rather small, especially considering yours. The only thing from Mecklenburg I have is a nice ribbonbar with a Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross and a Mecklenburg service cross. I'll add a picture for you.

Kind regards, Laurentius

Nice one. Like yourself I also collect the many German States, but have found it increasingly harder to find pieces. Is this something you have found also?