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On 21/10/2022 at 01:58, Lukasz Gaszewski said:

It is not Anrep Elmpt! I am sure I have seen this face before but I do not have too much time to dig through dozens of portraits of Russian generals. The portrait has been made with errors in the details of the uniform and medals. What I can say now is:

• the uniform is from the times of the reign of Nicholas I
• the man is a general
• he used to serve in the guards, so he wears Litzen on the collar instead of standard general's embroidery
• the picture was made in 1832 at the earliest.

The orders at the edge of his jacket are as follows:

• Order of St. Stanislas 1st Class
• Order of St. Vladimir 2nd Class
• Prussian Pour le merite
• Polish honorary Decoration 2nd Class - that was a slightly altered badge of the Polish Virtuti Militari, awarded by Nicholas I to all troops which took part in the suppression of the rising of 1830-31.

The row of medals on his chest is difficult to recognize as they are only sketched, but they are probably as follows:

• Order of St. George 4th Class
• Patriotic War 1812 in silver
• Capture of Paris 1814 ?
• Capture of Warsaw 1831 ?
• Patriotic War 1812 in bronze
• French Legion of Honour.

The star on the right is of the Order of St. Anne 1st Class with crown, On the left is that of St. Vladimir 2nd Class.

 

The gold star has been drawn most probably with an error as well. At that time not too many orders had an accompanying gold star. One that comes to my mind is that of the (already Russian) Order of the White Eagle. Technically, it should be worn above that of St. Vladimir, but as a former Polish order it was sometimes placed below, as “inferior” to genuinely Russian orders.

 

I have made a list of the generals awarded with both the Polish honorary Decoration 2nd Class AND Pour le merite – unfortunately none of them matches the face from the picture. There are eight other generals with no pictures and it is likely that the man is just one of them.

 

Would you mind sharing the names of the other generals who's faces don't match? I tend to think now that the PlM was not awarded during the Napoleonic wars but later. 

Would anybody be willing to get a copy of the book "ZA OJCZYZNĘ I NARÓD 300 LAT ORDERU ORŁA BIAŁEGO Praca zbiorowa" for me?

Does a St. Vladimir with crown even exists?

Could you share those names? Also, to me, and as the St. Anne Star with Crowns is present, the sequence looks to me more like:

• Order of St. Stanislas 1st Class
• Order of St. Vladimir 2nd Class
• Prussian Pour le merite
• Order of St. Vladimir 3rd Class with Crown

The golden Star would then be the St. Stanislaus star. Wrong overall color, but there is that green!

4 hours ago, paul wood said:

The second class would be worn as a breast badge when on riband bar.

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Or it may be his previously awarded Third

So if he was awarded the 2nd class after a already awarded 3rd class (as seen here on the medal bar) he would only wear the star?

He is not listed within the standard literature. The man looks different to Joseph Carl Anrep-Elmpt.

4 hours ago, paul wood said:

Obviously a senior russian officer, he has the officer's insignia for 25 years . I think the gold star is St George, would be a Crimea period award I suspect.  Could not be many 2nd class awards (second class had stars).

P

 

But would he not have worn the 2nd class cross on his neck? He has a 3rd class on his medal bar though.

What are those medals he is wearing anyway? He does have the Prussian Pour le Mérite. (See attached) the portrait and the order came with a princely inventory tag named "Joseph Anrep XXX" the 3rd word is not readable.

Can anybody identify the golden star on this man's chest, better yet, identify the man himself?

On 05/05/2021 at 22:35, 91-old-inf-reg said:

I figured there should've been oak leaves, made me a little suspicious with out them. Now I can't image many of this particular RAO was awarded, is there a set number of awards? Phenomenal as always Andreas, you are the envy of many a collector. 

It's not just that mate. This one is the only original in this post.

This is how the real thing looks like. (None Godet made)

OK, thank you!!!

Here is the reason for the victory assumtion.

Can somebody help identifying this star?

On 14/11/2019 at 06:22, LiverpoolMedals said:

 

He appears to have moved to Canada to retire, he had served there with the 71st Foot previously circa 1850.

 

That would fit, as I got this and the South Africa Medal from Canada! Thanks guys, this helps a lot.

No comments?

Very interesting. Thanks so far. Let's hear more.

Also, what does the S.C.A. stand for?

Anybody knows something about this medal?

Does anybody have information on Captain C Stuart 71 Highlanders in conjunction with the Crimean War?

Thank you!

Just found this VC. Can anybody elaborate on what exactly this is?

When did Schneider get his sport badge?

Andreas, would you permit me to use your 2nd class image on my site, please?

Obviously the book ones are copyright, although I might try writing to the museum...

Just noticed as I was adding the page to my website, tomorrow is the 100th anniversary of the order's establishment, assuming the 21 February 1913 date on it refers to its institution!

Absolutely! Go ahead.

There is also one on Werlich's book on Russian Orders and Decorations, he illustrates a 1st class example from the Merryweather Post collection.