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    hc8604

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    1. I have seen a few online before (I assume real), and from what I remember, they came in a leather type case. Each medal is tied on to the medal bar itself. Other than that, it is very easy to make your own medal bars as they are plentiful and so are the medals itself. If buying, price the bar and medals separately. 

    2. Yeah the ones that he posted are all fakes. The majority are ROC medals or badges and none would be hanging off a the Communist style ribbons nor made from the same colored light brownish material.

       

      There are some out there that have the Communist style ribbons as you said with the red ribbon with yellow stripes and thin hangers are real. They have baked on glass enamel in most cases. Some are very common and are more available than others. Of course they don't go for a few dollars. Hard to find ones do go for $150 or more and the common ones much less. For the actual prices, I would need to visit some Chinese auction or dealer sites.

       

      If you mean the ones with just red ribbons with the ugly looking thicker hangers then yes those are the "fake" ones. They have painted enamel in most cases. I guess if they were called "restrikes" maybe it would be ok, but they aren't near the quality and have different inscriptions in some cases. For the most part, most collectors have called them "fakes."

       

      The original issues that I have. These are the common ones out there, not $100+ rares, wished I have a few examples, but they are too costly as CCP medals are not my big focus.1563295430_ScreenShot2022-02-09at10_28_08PM.png.d164d6429a2c97a36836f0e145ab6a77.png1399142585_ScreenShot2022-02-09at10_28_28PM.png.4bbc5490512a5abe830246ee0bed71d2.png

    3. lol. You have to prove to us what you are saying is real, because I doubt you will find anybody on here that will believe any of what you have wrote. At least you got the part they are worth a few pennies right. They are basically worth its weight in scrap metal value.

    4. On 15/01/2022 at 08:16, v.Perlet said:

      These three periods, Liberation, Korea war and the period 1949-1969 there were in total around 700 million commemorative junk medals distributed. (again not counting replacements in those 22 years)

      If the state awards, prepares ca. 700 million medals one can be sure that the state must have probably commissioned around at least a billion (if not 2 billion within 22 years) of these medals. 

       

      So if some one tells me that these commemorative medals (selling at average for 1Rmb (15c) are all fake or produced after 2000 - well I just start to....... Which does not mean that some rare or better looking ones, selling for 30Rmb/pc ($5pc) and above might be a so called 2000 production. However I would and have never paid more then 1 Rmb/pc for this genuine junk.

       

      And to close my opinion, if someone I don't know personally would offer me a "genuine" war medal, e.g. Korea,

      I won't go for it since these real medals even in China are bloody expensive and therefore highly prone to being faked.

       

      Wait, you believe these are real medals? I am curious now as to where you are getting all this information from.

    5. Oh yes, 1960s hat a lot of insignias and medals were anodized aluminum. The medals just had paint enamel, not that great looking. Right, prior and post were better. I think some current high rank issue medals are silver again.

      I went back and checked, my uncle was awarded the 10yr medal in 1987. Too bad the govt stopped matching medal number on the certificate.. the medals and certificates have different serial numbers.

    6. I have seen more post war badges with nickel plating than pre-1945 badges. Nickel was probably a war material that was hard to get  in China and probably wasn't a good idea to embellish badges.

      Anyways, if it is HK during WWII, it was occupied by the Japanese and I doubt there would be any sun/KMT symbols being used at that time.

    7. Traditional characters for reference to compare to the badge: 親愛精誠 (on the badge is read right to left).

      Yeah it looks like it. I am guessing the members are associated with the military academy probably. Or they fled from the communists in 1949 and established themselves as a music club instead.

      Is the badge nickel plated? or some type of silver colored metal finish?

    8. The top line is hard to read, but the bottom is 香港國民同樂會

      Google translate gives "Hong Kong National Music Club."

      It is probably a defunct organization as search engines don't give any results.

      Middle shows the blue sky and white sun surrounded by plum flowers. Probably 1940s-50s badge. Could be newer or older.

    9. It should be third class, second grade. The second class has coral in the middle too and has a different design for the neck version. Third class has the blue glass and should all be neck awards, even though its quite large.

      Maybe somebody felt it was too big and heavy to be worn on the neck and had a jeweler create a smaller version. I have seen several examples where some of these were converted to breast stars because they are really big lol. Chinese medals were kind of crude overall. The enameling is quite the artwork though. 

    10. The first one says 兩廣總督張 which is Governor Zhang of Guangdong and Guangxi.

      獎 means award. The rest would need a lot more time to translate.

      I think this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Mingqi

      I would be careful, as there may be good copies of these things. Copies of Chinese coins are getting better and it is not easy to tell the difference anymore. Even though this is a medal, I see copies of others before.

    11. Looks like the others may be government civilian awards after all. I got the second one translated, if I have time, I will get the others translated. Hopefully somebody can get the others.

      Second one is a ROC Ministry of Interior 中華民國內政部 medal. Medal seems to be a service medal, first class. 役政一等獎章

    12. I have always seen three classes for the service medal. Never heard of if being 4 classes.

      There was an ebay seller that gave odd description of a service medal he has as a Japanese/Taiwanese WWII Marshall medal. Had it for sale for several hundred dollars. Had a laugh with that one. Very common medals in Taiwan.

      The others I think are organization medals. None of them look like government issued stuff. Close pictures would be better.

    13. Recently, saw these for sale. The seller, as usual, tries to get the most money out of this by inserting key words such as "flying tigers," "cbi," etc. The ones for sale are shown below and have the 國 in front of the serial number (post 1950 version or early "Taiwan" period)

      The first one for sale, seems to have a modern ribbon because of the shine using modern materials. The second one for sale, have an older ribbon. Even if the ribbon may be original, wide hooks are very rare to see on Nationalist medals. They tend to use thin hooks on some of the medals.

      Both seem to have serial number in the same font, but I don't think this is the correct font. The font looks similar to the recent copies. I have a few other early Taiwan medals (Victorious Garrison and Brilliant Light medals), and they have the same matching fonts with the other Taiwan Armed Forces medals posted before on this thread.

      I am not sure when Taiwan medals begin to offer mini medals and the pin. Probably later on maybe 1970s?

      Enamel doesn't look right either. Enamel would be the transparent type. Hugh posted his modern ones from page one and the enamel match to the same two below.

      The second one has a screw. Taiwan medals from what I have seen, don't have a screw. Pre1949 ones do have a screw though.

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    14. Seems there are a lot of variations or plain misplacement of ribbons. I am confused what are the correct ribbon colors for each class.

      1st: red white red

      2nd: white yellow white

      3rd: white red white

      4th: white red white

      5th: white red white

      6th: red blue red

      7th: red blue red

      8th: red white red

      9th: red white red

    15. Its real.. not sure exactly what it is. I am guessing its a civilian medal given out in the early period, like 1928 to 1930s.  The manufacturer also makes other medals, such as the Cloud and Banner. I saw one recently, a 2nd class, shown below.

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      Actually the back on the 4th class translates to "Silver Quality, 4th class, Medal" 銀質四等獎章

      The 2nd class translates to "Gold Quality, 2nd class, Medal" 金質二等獎章

      Correct me if I am wrong...

      Maybe class 1-3 is gold, 4-6 is silver, and 7-9 is bronze?

      On the obverse, 員會, means member. That is what I can tell so far..

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