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TOLERANCE IS NOT THE ISSUE THE FACTS ARE...TOTAL NONSENCE IF HE HAS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP HIS EXPERTESE!!! :unsure:

IF YOU WITNESSED A MAN BEING CONNED THEN SURELY YOU IN YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTISE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IN AND SAVED THE DAY!!!!! ONLY THE RIGHT CHRISTIAN THING TO DO,IS IT NOT? :unsure:

NOW YOURE TALKING SENSE!!!! UNLY FAIR FOR PET TO STATE THE FACTS OR WITHDRAW ALL THE FAKE COMMENTS.....HE IS MISLEADING HONEST COLLECTORS

PET SURELY IF YOU ARE TO HELP COLLECTORS THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SUBSTACIATE YOUR CLAIMS WITH EVIDENCE AND THE PICTURES,SURELY IF YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!?? ILL LET THE OTHER READERS MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS AND SEE THAT YOU ARE SCARE MONGERING AND MAKING UP A LITTLE DRAMA TO FEEL IMPORTANT!!!THATS HOW I SEE IT..BUT TO BE FAIR ILL RETRACT WHAT I SAY IF PROVED WRONG...CANT BE MUCH FAIRER THAN THAT :unsure:

YES MATE YOU ARE RIGHT,I THINK IT MUST ONLY BE THE LITTLE PEOPLE WITH SMELTING POTS IN LISBURN...........NO SORRY ITS BELFAST BELFAST BELFAST :banger:

LET US ALL SEE THE EVIDENCE MATE!!!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP I SAY...PEOPLE READING THIS WILL AGREE IF YOU ARE HELPING...THEN LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE OF THE FAKE MEDAL...OH YES FROM BELFAST!! YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOU ARE SCARE MONGERING NEXT YOU"LL BE SAYING TURKEY LURKEY THE SKY IS FALLING DOWN!!!!! OH SORRY ONLY IN BELFAST :lol:

IS THERE ANY ONE READING THIS HAVE A PICTURE OF THESE FAKES TO POST ON SO WE CAN HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT IT,ID LOVE TO SEE ONE OF THESE PLEASE.IT WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO SEE THESE IN THE FLESH???PET CLAIMS A MEMBER OF HIS CLUB WAS CONNED SO COULD THIS MAN PLEASE HELP BY POSTING A PHOTO OF HIS FAKE MEDAL,ID LOVE TO SEE IT,SO PET ASK HIM TO POST IT ON THE BOARD,IM VERY CURIOUS AS TO SEE IT :o

i have never slagged off your relatives i stated clearly that i never heard of such an incident and also a limerick collector said he hadnt heard of the event either!!! so we are clearly ststing that we never heard of such an event!!! im a american by birth and it has nothing to do with colour race religon so what is you being a christian got to do with it???? im an adult showing my kids and my nephews the way in collecting...i even find it so strange you stating belfast belfast belfast....mate you break your own heart no one here is doing it!!!! :shame:

Why???? read below why?? :angry:

firstly pet im not attacking no one,and i too am in favour of helping people not being conned,i have started my two nephews up by giving two medals to them from my collection,its so refreshing to hear them talk about this great hobby,but i am against the statements of belfast being full of fakers etc..they are now collectors of the future and it annoys me for you to make remarks like this...does this mean my two nephews are now fakers?? surely not because they are from belfast!!! i have indeed got belfast battalion medals in my collection left to me,and they are rare if impossible to find today. when it boils down to it im up for helping anyone,but when im from belfast and un fare comments about faking and dont buy medals from belfast collectors are stated on this board,yes then i have a bee in my bonnet...so if my nephew wanted to sell his medal 30 years from now for example id like to think he will recieve the true value of it,and not have to face silly remarks about so called fakes..not that he wants to sell,as i have made hime promise not to..i collect i do not sell as a rule although if i had a double i want to make sure i get wot its worth when bartering with fellow collectors...so the fake quotes are wearing a tad thin mate!!!!

i see lots of stories and no facts from pet!!! I read and study all the time,and ive never heard of such a stabbing!!! maybe it makes for good story telling in THE LISBURN MEDAL CLUB.....wherever that is? :unsure:

mmmmm. pet im not afraid or fear any medal club!!!! there is no way any man alive can copy ie copy "a good standard copy" of a black and tan or 1916 medal and i have made a few calls to my fellow collectors about this and they second my feelings on this.there are a few different types of Casting types,centrifugal and lost wax...either way they all would leave tell tale signs..as for medal clubs wot medal club? me and alot of my contacts havent heard of any lisburn medal club..so please enlighten us all..there are alot of people being offended by your remarks as you seem to tar collectors from belfast as a bunch of fakers!!! when we know for a fact most copies are from down south or as far as you have reported austrailia...so if there IS a club that you are a part of let everyone know where and when its held so they can endulge themselves in your vast knowledge you state you have!!! :shame:

YES I MISTAKENLY TYPED ENGLAND INSTEAD OR IRELAND..QUINN AND CO AS YOU SAY,BUT THERE IS SOME VARIOUS DIFFERENT PIN POSITIONS ON THE CLASPS,SOME EARLY AND SOME LATER,I FIND THE WIDE TYPE TO BE EARLY AND THE CLOSER PIN CLASP TO BE LATTER...GLAD TO BE WARMLY WELCOMED TO THE BOARD THANKS!!!!

hi i said in my quote the colours do vary..weights for the 16 medals range from 28 -34 grammes..very heavy for its size due to the unique material used in its manufacture...copies are very light in comparison...centre lines are a dead give away,and as for filing a cantre line away..you cant bluff the weight..... :banger:

Hi i read with great interest your forum explaining about fakes in belfast,firstly ive collected irish medals for all my life from when i inherited my grandfathers collection at the tender age of 12. i continued on since..im interested in this gent in belfast you speak of..i am also stunned to hear so much advice given on this site, some reasonable and some so crazy it makes me laugh..some of it is down right scare mongering to be honest...most copies ive seen have been that riduculous you would be a fool to buy it...i find that i have met so called medal experts who rubbish medals because they cant afford to buy them. so if they cant buy it or i dont offer it for a give away price it fake!!! i dont congragate in "clicks" like these people do it makes me not want to join medal clubs etc. because alot of the so called experts dont have a clue. i bought most of my collection when they were out there and no hype.ive photos with the reciepients wearing the medals etc. one collector (i use the word loosely) said i had a copy..but then retracted his statement when i showed paper work and photos of the man wearing it!!!! but hey maybe the old photo with staining and pass book was fake to..yeah right!!!. i am from belfast and i have given advice freely on my knowledge of this subject and i find its a lot of people from the south of ireland faking badges etc. this makes my medals all the more special ans coveted by twisted people only interested in making a buck... you need to see and feel a medal,not from a photograph..photos of a medal can decieve...your eyes cannot unless blinded with GREED. please if you want to buy a medal get it checked a second opinion is good..dont jump and dont believe all the jargon of late....laser engraved items??? laser engraved shows signs of burning heat under an eye glass...etc.. "pick engraving" is an age old art any samples ive seen are like this done by hand and very rough and nobbly to the touch...laser engraving is smooth as a babys bum....so lets get it right gents...as for some man with a smelting pot stuff, im not aware of this but i will say this YOU CANT CAST A 1916 MEDAL TODAY AND IT LOOK PERFECT.1916 and black and tan medals were made by numerous companies in england and there are some different colours and indeed slight differences in the position of the pin,this can also tell you where it was made etc. it is down to the disc itself and this will give the game away instantly..even these so called austrailian copies that are supposed to be great are tragic. i spot them a mile away..but then again ive been doing this for thirty years!!!! experience is something you cant buy...so if in doubt dont buy..it is usually cheaper!!!!!!!