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Megan,

 Most gratefull for your reply on this one, interesting to note that it is a civilian version of the LSM whereas, if my interpretation of his status is corrrect, he should have been awarded the Military issue. One door closes, another opens !

Best wishes and my thanks again - Dave

I seek assistance thus - I have a Jagatjit silver medal,full size,integral loop with small ring suspender,no ribbon,Obverse has full frontal portrait of Singh,polished so cannot date it through decorations worn,inscription in English capitals around edge,Reverse has Indian script around top half and  "Awarded To " in raised english capitals beneath.On the rim is engraved,in thin capitals -  RIS KARAM SINGH O.C.H.H.B.G. I interpret this as " Rissaldar Karam Singh, Officer Commanding His Highness Bodyguard ".    Regret no photograph but medal appears identical to one illustrated to  " R.K.Puri 1918" which may be known

to those familiar with this genre.

Could anyone inform me of  (a) the full title of this medal, (b) the details of the ribbon,and  (c) am I correct in my interpretation of the recipient's rank & post ?

Just a few observations - as regards the Special Constabulary medal, compare the engraving with that on the first medal in this theme, a scratchy ,crude affair. This is a local production and this style is commonly seen on medals to junior officers in the regular Force. The Specials medal is also wrongly ribboned  (CPM M).I have checked the June 1997 Staff List for the then RHKP Auxilliary Police ( as the specials were known).Subject does not appear. His name (Chang) would indicate a northern Chinese family (Shantung) origin, if so it is most likely he would have ended his service by 1997 .

Post  war they were very popular at football matches.( as more recently,were vuvuzelas).Times change !

At that time the Chief Police Officers in charge of the Municipal Police Forces in the Treaty Ports on the China Coast and the Colonial Force in Hong Kong ,bore the title Captain Superintendent.Hence CAPT SUPT.

I can find no reference to " Barrett-Watts" on the China Coast at that time,detailed research into the Tientsin community at that time should reveal more.

CRP could be Chinese Railway Police ?

R.A.O.B  is in fact " The Royal Antedeluvian Order of Buffaloes" .

" Police  Lieutenant " , service in Malaya.

Please see Ancestry - Passenger Lists.  A number of references to men of this name Gatt/Galt,departing to Canada ( one in  March 1900 ) from Glasgow, and returning therefrom ( Nov 1914 - to enlist ?). Cannot positively identify him but may be worth further checking.

YOUR MAN WAS AWARDED THE FOLLOWING THREE MEDALS ;-

(a) Rhodesian General Service Medal  wef 11.11.1965  as illustrated

(b) Independance Medal  wef 18.4.1980

(c) Medal for Territorial or Reserve Service  wef 26.2.1982 vide Zimbabwe Govt Gazette of that date,Volume LX  No 15 Page 179

All references are to him as Ag/Sgt or Sgt PR  (Police Reserve).

The following as background -

" Working for the Chinese Customs Service, by Dr Catherine Ladds",

and more specifically -

From Chinese Customs Service Staff List -

Davis T.N  Enlisted Jan 1921  as Probationery Tidewaiter

                  Resigned  August 1924 as Tidewaiter 2nd Class

                  Station on resignation - Tientsin.

Indications point to a Tientsin venue.

A note on his Record of Service sheet,above, shows,inter alia - " Will be discharged from service after signing on in the CHINESE CUSTOMS SERVICE (my capitals) as a TIDEWAITER."

Samantha

                   If you would like to let me have ( P.M if you wish) his name and if possible  his d.o.b I may well be able to help.

As regards the Northern Rhodesia Police,there were the following  'classes ' of Police Officers -  Superior,Senior and Subordinate - the first two were ' gazetted' ie Assistant Supers and above,the subordinates were the Inspectorate.All classes/ranks had mess kit,though for the lower orders a summer style was permitted year round.There was a 'Superior Mess' at HQ and all Divisions and Districts had their own in which all ranks in the Inspectorate (including African Inspectors) and above were full members.

African members of the Rank and File had their own Messes although they were best described as Police Clubs.

J S V Hickman  M.C ( Malaya with 1NRR/2 KAR ) plus a host of Rhodie decorations.

. C.O. 1 Rhodesia Light Infantry 8/1968 to 6/1970,when things were hotting up.Died October 2011.

The Memorial is one of several at the Batu Gajah Cemetery in Malaysia,see Google ' God's Little Acre"

Noor

Reference your post 35 - you mention " clasps for Shangani and Singuesi " - can you enlarge, I was not aware that claps had been authorized or issued for these very local engagements.

Within Colonial Police circles - Colonial Police Forces were established and operated under a Police Force Ordinance,part of the Laws of the relevant Territory/Colony/Protectorate.Under this Ordinance were the Police Discipline Regulations.Within these Regulations were the powers of senior officers to impose awards following conviction for a disciplinary offence, one of these awards was that of ' required to resign'.If the miscreant did this he could always say,in later life,that he ' resigned',blagging that he did not find the work to his liking or something similar.If a potential employer were to later  check he would only find a record of ' resignation ',the circumstances would not be revealed.

Not strictly British or indeed Colonial but this is perhaps the most appropriate place. Ku Lang Su was an island off the Treat Port of Amoy (now XiaMen) in Southern China.It was administered by a Municipal Council,as per Shanghai,and had a small Police Force ( 2 Officers - Brits- and about 30 Indian Rank and File with a few chinese detectives and clerks.).The Force operated on the Island of Ku Lang Su and was abolished on the Japanese occupation at the early part of WW2.

                                             A bronze cap badge recently appeared on eBay.It fetched GBP1,400.oo pounds

We wore khaki whipcord jodphurs for equitation training and mounted duries in Rhodesia in the 50's.They were certainly hardwearing,our backsides and thighs suffered accordingly.

My grouse with todays police uniforms is that the virtually the only occasion when ribbons can be seen is during ' interviews ' outside New Scotland Yard,or wherever.The officer on the beat ( should we still have them ) appears so overburdened with kit and wears such ' unfriendly' items as woolly pullovers, blousons,bomber jackets,stab-proof vests and etc,that there is little chance of anyone seeing any ribbons should he/she wish to display them.If medals have been awarded my view is that the ribbons should be worn.The post war bobby earned much respect from a chestfull but we live in different times and I shall have to get used to them.

The original post mentions ' Gisberg's Departure ',who was Gisburg ? The man in plain clothes,or The Believed Governor. Also mentions ' 2 naval officers ',my take on these grandees,by reference to their gorgets,would be along the descending line of Governor,Provincial Commissioner, District Commissioner. and District Officer. Also unusual to see a Colonial Governor in White Jodphurs, Riding Boots and spurs,would normally wear short wellington boots (inside trousers) with spurs.May indicate his (military ? )background.

Keep at it !

Gotcha !

Brigadier General Frederick Gordon GUGGISBERG

Born Canada 1869  dec 1930

In 1914 was Director of Public Works,GOLD COAST,in  Great War commanded 94th Field Coy Royal Engineers and other similar units, MID 5 times,in 1919 appointed Governor and Commander in Chief,Gold Coast.

Still doesn't explain the jodphurs.

Find more on Google/Army Lists etc.

Notice the Aide de Campe on the extreme left, and the African in his fez in rear,high definition might better expose his fez badge which would appear to bear a crown over circlet,I would say West or East Africa,bearing in mind the German connection,most likely the latter. Any advance on this ?

Wei Hai Wei Police.

                         Just bringing this one up again, anyone any info ?

Dave

   Many thanks,it's my eyes you know ...........' age shall not weary them,nor the years condemn' - ( with apologies to specsavers).

Badge appears to fall into the ' Special Constable' mufti class.

Cheshire Constabulary ?

Cap or Collar ? What fitting is on the reverse ?

Not the regular Control Commission (Germany) badge.