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    Gunjinantiques

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    1. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2012/post-11630-0-26760700-1343775792.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2012/post-11630-0-97080800-1343775825.jpg

      That bottom medal is tough. I can figure each kanji out by itself but they make no real sense when put together. If Rich isn't correct, he's probably pretty close. Another way to read it would be top to bottom, right to left, which it would be KYOUBU (something to do with education), TETSUSEN (iron & something to do with method) and SATSUBEN (satsu has something to do with money and ben is something to do with language dialect). Most of these have various readings but the meanings are pretty much the same. Reading this right to left, up to down, or left to right it doesn't make much sense in Japanese and it's only from 1924. Unless it was for such a small local event that only those involved would know what it means. And I bet you thought the top one was going to be the hard one. Lol.

    2. I'm sorry, but people need to be called out when their comments aren't appropriate or they aren't being honest. This is how spoiled children become rotten adults. I joined the GMIC for the honesty and intergrity that surpasses other sites. I find it lacking in the above comments. Have any of my comments above been untrue, off mark or unreasonable?

    3. We're obviously going around in circles from now on. Anyone that has followed this converstation over the last few pages can obviously see that you're not being entirely honest and just going to hold your ground no matter what. That's fine, now we know more about you. "Anyway, not trying to make things bigger," but by using "Chinese collaborator" in the auction title and not explaining the truth in the description simply compounds what we now know. Wow, hypocrisy is pretty easy when it's done behind the safety of a computer screen.

      Cheers,

      John

    4. I see I have opened up a can of worms, or perhaps Pandora's box, or maybe just unleashed the wrath of John. To be honest, I meant to do nothing of the sort. I just was pointing out how prices on ebay can be crazy sometimes, and this idea has been pursued with relation to different medals such as the 1931-4 Manchurian Incident medal, etc. I didn't see anyone wetting his pants with anxiety over those. At least, no one wrote and complained how unfair everyone was.

      On a separate point, it is strange, John, how you refuse to refer to me by name. You obviously know my ebay ID, you know my website (having bought from me more than once), and since you read this site, you have seen my name more than a few times.

      Anyway, not trying to make things bigger, but I'm imagining that John is afraid that the buyer of the medal will see these posts and become dissatisfied. I understand that it would be unsettling. However, we are free to discuss medals (attributes, prices, etc) in order to help others.

      As for my 'sour grapes.' Well, I must admit that one reading my posts would assume that I am envious of the high sale price of John's medal. That is completely due to my inability to use language well enough to convey what I am feeling. Actually, I had no expectation that my medal would even come close to that high price. Why should I have thought so? Watching over the years, I have never seen such a medal selling for more than $800 (even a nice one with ribbon), so I was quite sure that mine would never ever exceed even $400. I should have stated that before the auction ended. Expectations are the bane of happiness. I expected almost exactly what I got, so I have no 'sour grapes' feeling at all.

      Finally, I must address two important points that John brought up: the use of the same wording for the auction title and the mentioning of his ebay auction in the description. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the same wording, though I doubt the title was original enough for John to claim it as his intellectual property. My thinking was that maybe something in the wording caused someone to pay so much for the medal--or perhaps I was just lazy. It is true that cut and paste is not nice, but it is hardly anything to complain about. (If I had copied the item description, I would say that that is worse.) But still, in light of my previous remarks, I apologize for that and won't do it again.

      And the mentioning of the final selling price? I don't see why I shouldn't use that tool to try and get a few more dollars. Don't you link to Wikipedia and other sources in your auctions, John? Gives the buyer some reference, and despite my personal feelings about the selling price of your medal, it was public record and perhaps may become the standard selling price.

      Sorry to have caused such a stir.

      Cheers,

      Rich

      Laughable. You write: "Anyway, not trying to make things bigger, but I'm imagining that John is afraid that the buyer of the medal will see these posts and become dissatisfied. I understand that it would be unsettling."

      Why in the world would I be afraid of the buyer seeing these forums? Seriously anyone want to chime in and stick up for Rich on any of his posts about this? All I sense is childish, hypocritcal, back talking rhetoric. There's a difference between a discussion regarding current prices for medals and what you're up.

      By the way, the reason why I didn't use your name was that I had forgotten what it was and in lieu of getting it wrong I just didn't write it. And no, I didn't want to bother bother to search for it. It might help if you simply list it on here.

      You could have saved some face by simply apologizing for copying my title down to the quotation usage, and trying to use my auction to boost yours when it suited your interest. It was great then, wasn't it?. Hmmm. And I notice how you didn't bother to actually explain to the bidders that the Chinese collaborator story isn't true. You just left that hanging there in the title.

      I think we all expected a little more honesty and intergrity from you Rich. We all have lapses in judgement, it's just most of us realize it and apologize for it. You just keep digging a deeper hole every time you respond.

    5. This just seems to be a case of sour grapes. First my title was copied and pasted. Second, the person that can't stop berating my listing or the buyer writes a description like this:

      "pixel.gifpixel.gifThis auction: An official medal from WW2 Japan. This is the extra rare 1942 China War Commemorative Medal. Just last week a ribboned example sold for $1499 Ebay item number (120937717528), so that will give you an idea of the scarcity. NO RIBBON OR CASE. (Actually, no case is known to exist.)Very few minted; no record of them ever having been awarded. It is one of the rarest of all Japanese medals, and it would be a great edition to any medal collection. Established in September 1942 and abolished in 1945."

      Hmmm, seems like the price that mine sold for was used to justify how buyers should bid a lot for this auction. It didn't seem to bother him when it suited his cause. Seller ultimately wasn't happy with ending price so jumps on here and let's us all have it. This isn't educational discourse, this is sour grapes and I was in the cross hairs. Or is this just hyperbole too?

    6. You wrote, "My piece sold for $361.00. So, to show how overpriced John's was--and how some ebay buyers are just crazy--the other buyer paid over $1000 for a ribbon. The mind boggles...

      Granted, my medal was a bit less nice than the other, but ...! $1000 for a ribbon!"

      Is this normal discourse for this forum? If it is, then I'll visit less often.

      Just so we're all clear, let's compare what you keep going on about:

      Mine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-WWII-ERA-JAPANESE-1942-CHINA-INCIDENT-CHINESE-COLLABORATOR-WAR-MEDAL-/120937717528?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c28731f18

      Yours: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-WWII-ERA-JAPANESE-1942-CHINA-INCIDENT-CHINESE-COLLABORATOR-WAR-MEDAL-/360475134965?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53edfe0bf5

      Try not to get them confused as the titles are exactly the same for some reason.

    7. My piece sold for $361.00. So, to show how overpriced John's was--and how some ebay buyers are just crazy--the other buyer paid over $1000 for a ribbon. The mind boggles...

      Granted, my medal was a bit less nice than the other, but ...! $1000 for a ribbon!

      I don't think mine was overpriced considering how pristine it was. The buyer picked it up in Kyoto and loves it. The price he'll soon forget, but he'll always have a rare medal that's about as nice as you'll ever hope to find. All parties were happy.
    8. John - your assumption is absolutely correct.

      All japanese orders in 3rd class (sacred treasure, rising sun, golden kite) had such variation of ribbon.

      So naturally Manchu orders got it to.

      My earliest time estimate for this smaller ribbon is 1920+

      Nice 3rd class by the way.

      I think this one marked M ;)

      Cheers,

      Nick

      Nick, you mean you think the smaller ribbon pre-dates the set? Also, the OMSA book says this medal was established in 1934, I assumed it would be from that year or later. And you're right, it has an "M" on top of the suspension knob. The set was purchased from the original owner in 1946 and I got it from the purchaser's son. It hasn't passed through too many hands.
    9. What was the purpose of this modernization? Let me remind you that it "had been converted into an obijime (accessory) for on the obihime (rope around the obi)."

      What???

      Obijime is a thin rope attached to an obi.

      Obi is a kimono sash.

      Ok, ok. Let's go visual!

      I think you mean it was converted to an "obidome." I have several in my collection. Easier than collecting kimono! Lol.
    10. Hi guys! I have a question. I have so little experience with higher class orders like this that I simply am not sure of the answer. This 3rd Class set came with two cravats, a large and a small. I've seen the small cravat for an Order of the Sacred Treasure before too. I assume it's used under the shirt collar so the medal can be worn close to the neck...Is this correct? Thanks in advance for your help.

      John

    11. Some wound badges were signed on reverse by their owners (same goes for the pilot badges and army/navy classification badges). However I saw only type 4 signed badges. Here is a nice example of such signed badge.

       The name would be Oda, not Yamada. I'm really loving these posts on the wound badges. Thank you so much for the research and sharing.
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