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    Streptile

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    1. On 02/08/2022 at 10:19, saschaw said:

       

      No error, actually they were quite right: it's the war ribbon of the Kriegserinnerungszeichen 1914/18 des Bayerischen Landesvereins vom Roten Kreuz, instituted in 1924. There's another ribbon, without the black stripes, for home merit. As said, it's no state award, and thus not listed in our major sources... sometimes, it's a bit tricky!

       

      ;)

       

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      Thanks Sascha. That took a while!

    2. I picked these up because I thought they were beautiful but I'd love to know more about them.

       

      Each is about 22" x 17". Camp colors from the grenadier Guards. 23rd and 25th Company. This is what I've read, from here:

       

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      The company badges, or devices, are also used on small crimson flags used as markers on the parade ground, carried by a Colour Sergeant. They are known as Camp Flags or Camp Colours having been used in the old days as signs to indicate the different companies when camp had been set up. These are made of crimson French silk, 21 inches by 17 inches (53cm x 43cm). 

       

      These examples are supposedly from the reign of Edward VII 1901-1910. Does that sound correct?

       

      Anyway I would be grateful for any more information. I don't see any others for sale so I have no idea of the value either.

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    3. Hey Jay,

      I just mean that the elements of the core -- the date numerals, oakleaf spray and cypher -- are rendered in specific designs used only on 1914 EK2s. The designs of all authentic 1813 EK2 cores are well known (there are only about five known 1813 cores) and are different in every aspect from the eBay piece. Also the frame is a 1914 type. 1813 EK2 frames have a different look with a higher bead count.

      Have a look at an original 1813 EK2 and compare to the piece on offer.

      Here is an original:

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      Hope this is clear.

    4. 1 hour ago, Stogieman said:

      Beautiful bar, especially the Baden device on the Zahringen Lion ribbon!

      Thank you for rescuing this thread from obscurity, and also for your nice comment.

      I wish I could find a photo of this particular von Alvensleben.

      Can anyone suggest a good resource?

      There are more items in this group, which came from an attic in the USA and was identified by a friend of mine (not me).

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    5. I have added this ribbon bar to Konstantin von Alvensleben (1866-1943) to my collection.

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      The awards are:

      1. Prussia: 1914 EK2
      2. Prussia: Red Eagle 4th with swords
      3. Baden: Zähringer Löwen with swords and oakleaves
      4. Germany: Hindenburg Cross with swords
      5. Germany: China Medal
      6. Baden: Regierungsjubiläumsmedaille in bronze
      7. Chile: Medal for German Instructors

      Does anyone have a photo of this particular von Alvensleben? A few internet searches have not turned up anything but his more famous forebears.

      I would be grateful for any photos or biographical information.

      Thank you.

    6. 3 hours ago, HeikoGrusdat said:

      Take a look at the reverse...it seems that the bar has been worn as a Frackspange , then the KDM70 would have been in first and the Centenar in last place....

      I thought Frackspangen usually had the catch on the right and the hinge on the left. This one has the catch on the left like a normal bar. How can you tell that this bar was set up as a Frack? Just trying to learn as bars are not my area of specialty.

    7. On 12/19/2016 at 05:48, Claudio said:

      Dear forumites!

      My latest purchase fresh from Germany...

       

      Claudio

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      Great bar Claudio, congrats.

      On 12/19/2016 at 10:26, Claudio said:

      Dear forumites,

      I didn't show  this other Godet's medal bar, yet. Attributed to Oberstabarzt a.D. Dr. Joseph Wirth

      And another one. Just lovely.

    8. 28 minutes ago, GMU said:

      Thank you for your replies.I can see that there is still a disagreement about this type. I wish more people comment about this. I am still confused a bit as to how old this piece could be. Some other details.

      I understand that you would like a consensus but none exists. It's a lovely, well-made S&L-type piece from the period (let's say) 1939-1960. Even the value is not much affected by the debate about period of manufacture.

      The ribbon is still looking good and could be worth as much as the PLM.

    9. There is a lot of disagreement about this type. In my opinion the type was made by S&L during and after WWII. One can spot the differences between the wartime examples and the postwar examples by the quality of manufacture. Without holding that piece, it's hard to judge, but to me it looks like a good candidate for what I'd consider a WWII-era example.

      I should stress that I am in a minority in believing that these were made also during the war. Most believe they are all postwar. I believe that the vast majority are post-1945, but that some do exist from before 1945.

      Because of the controversy (or disagreement), there is not much price difference between putative wartime examples and definite postwar examples. Prices depend instead on objective observations of quality alone and range from about $500 (mediocre quality, definite 1960s or 1970s) to over $1500 (marked 800, excellent quality, what some collectors like me might consider WWII-era).

      Also, the eagle legs on yours appear to be cut out. I don't know if anyone knows whether this was something S&L did, or something collectors do to make them appear more like Wagners.

      Anyway, it's a nice piece and for the right price I'd buy it.

      The ribbon looks like a genuine WWI-era type but of course without better photos it's not possible to say. If it is, and if it's long, it's at least as valuable as the cross.

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