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Not to make this more complicated, but Laurentius' statement that the PRAO4mSchw was only awarded in 1864 and 1866 (prior to the colonial period, of course) is a widely held misconception. I have identified 312 recipients of that award for events surrounding the events of 1848/49. and not all of them were Prussians, either. Andy

Andreas, Soweit ich feststellen kann, gab es keinen Offizier namens Meißner mit einer Verbindung zur Kraftfahrtruppen in 1914. Weder einen preußischen, württembergischen, sächsischen, bayerischen, noch aktiv, Reserve oder Landwehr. Es gab nur 2 Offiziere der Reichswehr im Range eines Hauptmanns oder höher namens Meißner. Einer war 1923-1925 Hptm./Major im 10. Inf. R., 1926 b. Komdtr. d. Tr.Üb.Pl. Königsbrück und 1927-1928 Batl. Kom. im 10. Inf. R.. Der zweite war 1923 Hptm. u. Lehr. a.d. Art. Sch. Andy

Albert Schmeckebier, Gefreiter in d. 1. Feld Pion. Komp. des 3. Armee Korps was awarded the EKII.

I believe that is the signature of General der Flieger Rudolf BOGATSCH 01.02.39-16.05.42 Befehlshaber d. Heeresfliegerverbände, General d. Luftwaffe beim Oberbefehlshaber d. Heeres u. Inspekteur d. Aufklärungsflieger/ RLM Andy

Nicolas, Here is his career Andy Arthur Gaede (12.02-1881-??) 1940 Major a.D., Berlin W 15, Meierottostr. 6 1925 Major a.D., Berlin-Steglitz, Humboldtstr. 13, an d. Dresdener Bank 03.04.20 m. Char. als Major u.d. Erlaubn. z. Tr. d. Unif. d. Inf. R. 42 verabsch. 1914/18 Komp. Führ. Res. Inf. R. 9, Führ. III./Ers. Inf. R. Königsberg I (später Inf. R. 377), II./Inf. R. 372 u. I./Landw. Inf. R. 78 01.10.13-02.08.14 b. St. III./Inf. R. 42 (Greifswald) 1913-01.10.13 in 8./Gren. R. 3 (Königsberg) 1912 in 9./Gren. R. 3 (Braunsberg) 1910-1911 in 6./Gren. R. 3 (Königsberg) 1909 in 5./Gren. R. 3 (Königsberg) 01.10.07-1908 in 4./Gren. R. 3 (Königsberg) [04.08.06 b. Fettkluft schw. verw.] 16.08.05-30.09.07 in 1. Feld Regt. d. Schutztr. f. SWA 1905-15.08.05 k.z. Dienstl. b. Pion. B. 9 1904 in 7./Inf. R. 84 (Hadersleben) 1902-1903 in 3./Inf. R. 84 (Schleswig) 17.10.99-1901 in 4./Inf. R. 84 (Schleswig) 17.10.99 Leutn. 27.01.99 Fähnr. 01.05.98 als Fahnenj. in Inf. R. 84 eingetr. Hptm. 01-10-13 N44n Oberlt. 17-09-09 D17d Leutn. 17-10-99 Tt

Nicolas, You are very welcome. It is unfortunate that history tends to gloss over the contributions of those who did not serve on the front lines. Efforts of men such as Strehle to produce and improve the weapons and ammunition vital to the war effort are largely ignored. However, awards such as those he received show the importance of their work to those who understood their true value. Congratulations on a very nice set of bars!!! Andy

I just read a PM which chided me for not responding to a post. Here then is my response: Your initial response did not answer the question I posed, which was, why did a Leibregiment not have a sovereign as its "Chef" as you claimed. Kindly grant me the consideration that I know why IR 117 and others were named the way there were. Nevertheless, thank you for personally invalidating your earlier statement that Leibregimenter were so named because a sovereign was their "Chef" A Großherzogin, be it a wife or mother, was no sovereign. In order to avoid such issues in the future, perhaps use qualifying statements such as "generally speaking" or "in most instances." Sweeping generalizations do nothing to further an accurate understanding of history.

Nicolas, Here is his short pre-war career. Sorry, nothing definitive about his wartime service, though, as Daniel said, he served with WUMBA, like the vast majority of those officers within the "technischen Instituten" Andy Robert Strehle (10.05.1879-??) 22.03.14-1914 Verwaltungsmitglied d. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg 01.10.08-22.03.14 k.z. Dienstl. b. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg 01.10.05-30.09.08 k.z. Militärtechn. Akad. 27.01.02-01.10.05 in 6./Feldart. R. 67 (Bischweiler) 27.01.02 Leutn. 23.03.01 Fähnr. Hptm. 08-10-14 S16s* Oberlt. 27-01-11 L8l Leutn. 27-01-02 Kk *ern. 22-03-14

Laurentius, I am confident that is Karl Friedrich von Winterberger. He began his military career in the Großherzogl. Sächs. Inf. R. and then joined IR 59 in 1867. His last assignment was as commander of Landw. Bez. Weilburg (15.05.1883-15.11.1887). He was born in Weimar on 09.03.1833 and died 12.09.1920 in Weilburg. Glenn beat me to the punch! Andy

If this is the case, please explain to me why in 1914 Inf. R. 117 was named "Infanterie Leibregiment Großherzogin?" She was certainly not the sovereign of Hessen, and why was Inf. R. 115 named "Leibgarde Infanterie Regiment" with the Großherzog of Hessen as its "Chef?" Andy

Hermann, Here are a few dates to help with your research. Andy Karl Leichenstern (29.03.1847-30.11.1924) 01.04.01-16.05.02 Kom. d. 10. Inf. Brig. [01.04.01 Nummertausch] 02.06.99-01.04.01 Kom. d. 8. Inf. Brig. 17.07.96-02.06.99 Kom. d. 10. Inf. R. 1871 in 5. Jäg. B. Gen.Maj. 02-06-99 Oberst 17-07-96 Oberstlt. 12-04-94 Major 19-12-88 Hptm. 30-11-79 Prem.Lt. 01-08-66 Sek.Lt. 20-05-66

Chris, I think this is Munich. in 1914 there was a Bankhaus Sigmund Klopfer (name on the sign on the building to the left) in Münich at Schützenstrasse 7. Schützenstraße led/leads directly to the Hauptbahnhof, which would certainly be a destination for these guys. Not that it matters, but I lived about two blocks from here for several years not that long ago and am rather familiar with the area. Andy

Thanks, Dave. Andy

Gents, In the 1935 list of Ergänzungs Offiziere you'll find this entry. The same holds true for the 1939 Stellenbestzung. This could be your man. Breithülen is in Württemberg. Andy Name Rang Stelle RDA Müller, von Major (E) Vorst. d. Remonteamts Breithülen 01.06.1934

Nicolas, Here is his short career: Andy Paul Seeler (30.10.1879-11.10.1914) 11.10.14 b. Urbantatschen gef. 02.08.14-11.10.14 Führ. 2./Res. Inf. R. 5 04.07.14-02.08.14 b. St. F./Gren. R. 5 (Danzig) 19.06.14-04.07.14 überz. Hptm. in Füs. R. 90 01.10.13-19.06.14 in 10./Füs. R. 90 (Rostock) 17.12.08-01.10.13 Adj. d. Füs. R. 90 (Rostock) 1906-17.12.08 Adj. II./Füs. R. 90 (Wismar) 1905 in 6./Füs. R. 90 (Wismar) 18.08.00-1904 in 3./Füs. R. 90 (Rostock) 18.08.00 Leutn. 16.11.99 Fähnr. Hptm. 19-06-14 Oberlt. 27-01-10 N11n Leutn. 18-08-00 Z8z

Hello Claudio, As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite! As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible. So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career. Andy Wichard Winkelmann (25.01.1871-29.01.1940) 29.01.40 in Hannover gest. 18.04.13-1914 Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp. 19.07.11-18.04.13 z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp. [27.01.09 PRAO4mKr] [00.02.08 SE4] [00.10.07 SLH3] 27.01.07-19.07.11 Chef 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 24.04.04-27.01.07 in 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 17.05.02-24.04.04 z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp. 1901-17.05.02 in 1./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.98-1900 in 4./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.97-30.09.98 k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12 01.10.95-00.07.97 k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch. 18.04.93-01.10.95 in 2./Pion. B. 3 (Torgau) 18.04.93 Sek.Lt. 18.08.92 Port. Fähnr. 09.01.92 in Pion. B. 3 eingetr. 25.01.71 in Gardelegen geb. Major 18-04-16 U Hptm. 27-01-10 Cc* Oberlt. 22-04-02 M3m** Leutn. 18-04-93 Aa *ern. 27-01-07 **ern. 15-12-00

In December I ordered books from Germany and they were sent off via DHL. Despite my efforts with the US Post Office and the seller's attempts no one could figure out where the books were. In March, the books just showed up. There was a note attached saying the delivery could not be made in Jan!. But, miraculously, they were delivered in March. I believe but can not prove, that the fact my address was handwritten, our post office workers could not decipher the handwriting, even though it was clear, to include the ZIP code. They just rejected it. My only advice to you is wait, wait and wait some more. Also, in the future ask your seller to type the address if that is not something they ordinarily do. It's maddening to have to wait so long, but I fear that the level of effort put forth these days by the USPS leaves a great deal to be desired. Andy

As I have been watching this thread, Glenn, as usual, provided the clearest explanation of a very confusing topic. The assertion that the "GFM was reserved for winning a battle" simply does not hold up. If it were so, how does one explain the promotions of three of the four GFMs listed in the 1914 Rangliste?? We can certainly exclude Prince Arthur, but what battles did Gr. v. Haeseler, v. Bock u. Polach, or v.d. Goltz win? Perhaps we should simply accept that there were no hard and fast rules and that Wilhelm II might simply have decided that his army ought to have a GFM or two. Hope as we may, not all questions have a definitive, evidence-based answer. Name Stelle Rang Haeseler, Gottlieb Gr. v. Chef d. UR 11 GFM Großbritanien u. Irland, Arthur Prinz von, Herzog v. Connaught und Strathearne, Hezog zu Sachsen (K.H.) Chef d. HR 3 GFM Bock u. Polach, Max v. Chef d. IR 16, à l.s. IR 55 GFM Goltz, Colmar Frhr. v. der Chef d. IR 41 GFM

Hello Claudio, I believe that is Ottmar Doemling (*10.12.1890), a Leutn. in the Bavarian 12. Inf. R. at the beginning of the war. He has several files on ancestry. Here is one from 1938 Andy

I am 99% certain it is Albert Fatken (*25.02.1869 in Brandenburg a.H.). I beleive that whoever wrote his name used a phonetic spelling, minus the "n" at the end. In the Militärwochenblatt for 1916, Spalte 2132, I found the following which led me to him in the IR 17 Stammliste 17.05.1916 "Fatken, Maj. z.D., zuletzt im Inf. R. 17, jetzt Batls. Kom. im Res. Inf. R. Nr. 219, ein Patent seines Dienstgrades verliehen" just a few days later, on 22.05.1916 he was "k.z. Dienstleistung als Distrikts Offiz. d. 1. Gend. Brig." Sometime later he was transferred to that Gend. Brig. He spent his entire career in IR 17- he entered the army on 01.04.1890 and retired on 18.11.1911 Andy

I put this together on your man. Andy Gustav Fuhrmann (1856-??) 13.03.13 Geh. Kriegsrat, Milit. Intend. Rat b.d. Intend. d. militärischen Insitute m. Pens. in d. Ruhestand vers. 03.03.00-13.03.13 b. Intend. d. militärischen Insitute 20.09.97-03.03.00 b. Korps Intend. d. XVII. AK 28.04.93-20.09.97 b. Korps Intend. d. VIII. AK 1892-28.04.93 b. Korps Intend. d. XV. AK [11.09.97 PRAO4 b. VIII. AK] [1895 wohnt in Coblenz, Victoriastr. 28 [10.10.89 zu Milit. Intend. Rat ern.] 09.12.87-1891 Intendtr. Assess. und Vorstand d. Intendtr. d. 31. Div. 1886-09.12.87 b. Korps Intend. d. V. AK 17.10.82 Dr.jur. Fuhrmann, bisher Gerichtsreferendar, zum Intend. Referendar b. XI. AK His Orden from the 01.10.1912 Rangliste: PRAO4 PKrO3 LD1 Hptm. d.L. 10-09-97 Pem.Lt.d.R. 14-10-90 Sek.Lt.d.R. 16-08-81 (war Sek.Lt.d.R. d. FAR 11]

Chris, Excellent work as always. Nice to see that your think enough of this subject to allow the "evidence" to lead to a proper conclusion regarding the white ribbon. Keep it up! Also, the Oberstlt. who signed Lagerdiener August Breitling's award on 27 August 1921 was Georg Gr. zu Waldeck u. Pyrmont the Major who signed Hptm.d.L. Clauditz's document on 5 Sep was Bruno Rüthling the Generalstabarzt who signed the document for Kriegs Assistenzart Dr. Wahn. was Dr. Friedrich Doebbelin Andy

Gary, this information is from the Bavarian casualty list #315 dated 10. November 1916 Flieger Abteilung 2 Oblt. (5. Chev. Regts.) Benedikt Schmalschläger – München - leicht verwundet Ltn. d.R. d. Fliegertr. Ludwig Hörmann – München – schw. verw. I think it is safe to say these are the individuals on your badge- given by Schmalschläger to Hörmann No doubt there is more information on both on ancestry.com in the Bavarian Stammlisten Andy

Hello, He received the awards with swords while attached to the Japanese army 1904/05 during the war with Russia. Andy

I read Trendelenburg. There was a saxon Generalarzt by that name in 1914. Andy