gregM

The cross is made by AWS. ( A. Werner & Sohne ) .

Frankenstein cross. 

Someone took a $500 1870 Ek2 and tried turning it into a

$4k Ek1.

Nice, original cross. Congrats. 

This is a reworked 1914 cross. It's easily identified by the unique

crown as having been made by "MFH"  --whoever that was.

My guess is that it was "upgraded" to try and boost the price to an unsuspecting potential buyer.

no worries on this cross

Nice cross.

Thank you Rick,

I appreciate that. 

Complete junk

Early awarded style 1870 cores were all cast at the Berlin foundry until it's closing

in 1873.  There is no way to tell the difference between 2nd class crosses assembled

by Wagner, Godet or LL.

Thanks for the reply.

I just went through the "show us your minis" thread and came across

a mini chain that had both the 15 year and 25 year crosses on it.

So that is a maybe.

I have had this mini for nearly 20 years and the time has come to try and restore it but I have

no idea what the medal in the #2 position should be.

My guess would be another long service medal of some sort according to the color of the ribbon

but would having two LS medals make any sense with this combination?

I welcome any and all comments.

Thank you,

Greg

Fantastic 1870 Ek w/ oaks mini. 

Bavarian MVO4X

I agree, I see WBs mainly on chains or as a stickpin.

I have a  simple 2 place knopflock with a Ek and a Gold WB.

My  newest mini.

Thank you to everyone that replied to my PMs about this piece.

Nice find !

I'm not a big WB guy but I do like the screwback versions.

As some of you know, my main focus is on Imperial Eks and I have been

fortunate enough to find some rare and unusual examples  but my favorite piece

in my collection is my s98/05 sawtooth bayo.  It was given to me on my 16th birthday

by a dear family friend who's husband brought it home on his return from ww1.   It's not

rare or special in any way except for it's sentimental value to me.

Good explanation . Thanks Eric.

You're welcome.  Glad I could contribute.

The textured finish to the reverse of the cross and on the mousetrap look odd

to me.  It's almost like they have been sand blasted but that might very well just

be an effect of the lighting in the photo.  

As for the details of the cross itself,  everything looks spot on. Also, I would

trust Eric's opinion on these as I think he has handled mor KMST crosses that anyone

I can think of. 

Joel,

Here are a couple different DOV screw nuts.

First mini for me in a long , long time.

16mm Ek2, austrian mount with a 16mm deumer spange.

I remember a few discussions about these reinforcing plates and always

with the same conclusions.  Some say repair, some say original.  I always believed

them to be repairs but through the years I've changed my mind on that. 

Like you guys, I have saved a few images of crosses (1100 so far) to make my own datebase

of known maker examples and of coarse, no regards to who's images they are so please don't

be alarmed if someday you come across a thread where I might reference one of your crosses.

Fantastic chain.