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And it needs to be ruled in or out.....

How do we go about doing that ?

I am leaning that direction as well but the theroy that

the marks might be for the maker of (the pin) is interesting.

Just a quick search through past threads at WAF turned up crosses that

are maker marked WS, Fr and Fr, that have a variety of the smaller

"control" marks. There may be others, I just did a very quick search.

My own WS has a backwards R under the pin.

Wow, no comments.

Do I know how to kill a thread or what ?

Fake

I don't think we should necessarily put the "Y" marked Ek1s in the same group as

the "quality control" marked crosses. The quality control marks that we have been

talking about ( K, B, C, backwords R ) have always been very small stamps and always

positioned up very close to the hinge and if I'm not mistaken, usually seen on crosses

with the "Fr" style core. Not on slant "W" cored crosses.

Do you see an "A" or a "Y" ? Kind of hard to tell. We have always assumed they were an "A".

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2402096&posted=1#post2402096

Thanks Chris,

It's not mine. I posted it for someone else who was hoping to find out

more about it. Until yesterday, I don't remember ever seeing a "Y"

stamped ek1 before.

Someone just posted these on another forum I am on.

May be they will help spur some new discussion.

Paul Kust made miniature awards, button devices, frack chains,campaign bars

and possibly the 25 year oak leaves. I was hoping you might be able to match

the poor detailed oak leaf drawing to one of your Oaks versions.

Just for reference, hear is the full sized page that shows his offerings.

Something you might find interesting.

Here is a scan of a ribbon bar from a Paul Küst catalog page.

I believe that this dates to before 1914 as the only iron crosses

shown are 1870s.

A rare bird indeed.

Albert Werner & Sohne, Berlin.

Totally agree with you.

Anyone who has held some of these crosses in hand

can easily see and feel the difference. But as I found,

this is very subjective as some people don't have a

sense of humor (or style or taste)

More than 12 times what I pay form my crosses.

There are slight variations in Quality, but I think which ones are "nicest" are mostly dependant on the collectors personal taste, so it would be hard to work that in...

Blitz was collecting stats...

Agreed--I got involved in that argument on that other forum.

It makes me wonder why someone would go through all

the trouble to do that.

Not rare.

Once you learn to look for the oversized 9th bead and the

over/under style date, these "9th bead" fakes become

pretty easy to spot.

Very nicely done research.

I was surprised to see so many variations. Like Trevor, I am curious about the oaks

with acorns but I understand your not including them if none were found on bars.

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mine--

SWEET

Some my think these are ugly, I think they have character.

( kind of like your mother saying "you're not different, you're special")

Now THAT is a nice mini.