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    Humberto Corado

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    1. Thank you all for your contributions!

      2 things come to my mind:

      First: could then be said that just the EK II German States equivalent medals were awarded in the same way to a wounded soldier in combat? not higher awards?

      Seccond: when see the set of recommendations for Friedrichkreuz that Dave show us, surprised me the thoroughness and elitism of some German states to grant their awards, even the lower grade, compared with Prussia to grant their Iron Crosses. it looks like their considered better their awards because they wait until the soldier had already earned or been proposed for the Iron Cross as Dave said, is that correct?

      I hope I have expressed myself correctly

      Thanks again!

    2. hello all,

      I wonder what medal or badge was given to the wounded and killed in combat, in the Imperial German States before the establishment of the wound badge in 1918? either during the first years of the Great War or earlier (Franco- Prussian war, Austro- Prussian war, Prussian-Denmark war, and even further back if possible, the Napoleonic wars, etc)

      Thanks in advance

      Humberto

    3. thank you very much for all your help gentlemen!

      I got the autograph years ago from a friend and is supposed to be signed and delivered at the moment by Otto Kumm himself. but throughout the years I have seen some postwar signatures of him somewhat different from the one that I have, but I think for your comments that is more likely to be original than a fake.

      Cordial greetings

      Humberto

    4. My absolute favorite seller, and one I always go to when I need assistance, is Torsten Belger at germandotmilitaria.com. I use Torsten for DDR items, but he also sells German militaria from WW's 1, 2 and the Bundesrepublik. He sells from both his website as well as our favorite auction site. I highly recommend him.

      Thanks Greg! I know Torsten, a great dealer and person!! I was thinking if there any vendors dedicated exclusively to this field?

      Cordial greetings,

      Humberto

    5. hello all,

      Recently I read in a spanish blog (was announced as a recent discovery) that there is a proof that the generaloberst Eduard Dietl were promoted to generalfeldmarschall by Hitler and that he also received the Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds, soon before he died in 1944 but this was never announced.

      what do you think? is this true? is the first time I read something like that.

      Regards

      Humberto

    6. Thank you again Uwe!

      Humberto,

      There was and is no official authorization for manufacturers of 1957 versions.

      PK,

      The second part is not correct.

      The Federal Government did not authorize the production of pieces that needed no redesign.

      It had not and never been officially authorized, that manufaturers produce not-originals (copies or fakes).

      Why should the Government do that?

      They authorized only the wear.

      If you mean the last sentence in combinationn with "Oakleaves and the Swords", it is not correct.

      It had not and never been officially approved, that the veterans could wear not-originals (copies).

      They could wear, what had been awarded to them and what had been allowed to wear based on the "Ordensgesetz" from 1957.

      They could wear all the decorations as originals like "Oakleaves and Swords", the Iron Cross from 1914, the "Hindenburg Cross", all the foreign decorations, and they could wear the 1957 versions, described in the "Bundesanzeiger Nr. 41 vom 28. Februar 1958".

      And If a veteran decided, not to wear his original "Oakleaves and Swords", he could wear a not-original (copy). That was not of official interest , It was not allowed, it was not forbidden. It was his personal choice.

      Only denazified decorations could be 1957 versions, based on the "Bundesanzeiger" from 1958.

      And for the very special 1957 versions it is really not "up to the individual collector to apply his own rules".

      An addition and small correction to my comment in Post 5:

      Uwe

    7. thank you very much to all for your help, I have learned a lot from you. I think then if the cross in question is not a fake, it is just a piece simply not made by no one of authorized 1957 "version" manufacturers.

      I am wondering if there is always a way to find if an 1957 version medal or badge was made by one of the authorized manufacturers, I mean have you ever seen an ugly and low quality badge or medal from any of them??? that it was seen prety bad???

      copies made by Godet for various dealers with dishonest intentions?? this were manufactured after the war and tried to sell as wartime pieces??

      "Version" is certainly more accurate than "award". According to this criterion, then, LDO-marked medals and badges dating from 1941 to 1945 cannot be considered to be awards as they were copies produced solely for the retail market, just like the 1957 copies. They were not award pieces, which means that a Juncker-made Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross 1939 bearing the L/12 hallmark should be worth much less than an identical but unmarked early cross or a later cross bearing the PKA code '2'.

      The Federal Government authorised the production and wear of denazified versions of 3rd Reich awards as well as those that needed no redesign as they did not include the swastika or other forbidden symbols in their original prewar or wartime design. So the 1957 versions were officially approved, as were original versions or copies thereof that required no denazification, like the Oakleaves and the Swords. Some EL and ELS-Träger, having had their originals stolen by their captors, had to acquire new ones, just as some of them had bought LDO-approved and coded copies from shops during the War. These new versions bore none of the Nazi-era marks - except for the copies made by Godet for various dealers with dishonest intentions - and so can be described as "1957 versions" and as "officiaally approved", because the authorities had to approve them before veterans serving in the new German armed forces could wear them in uniform.

      In a sense, as Uwe so rightly says, it really is up to the individual collector to apply his own rules when considering "award pieces" and "wearing copies". A 1960s or 1970s Pour-le-Mérite worn by, for the sake of discussion, Ernst Junger would definitely be worth having, as long as its provenance could be proven. The same applies to a 1957 Knight's Cross and Oakleaves worn by a prominent recipient of the original awards. But they are not original award pieces. Neither, by that logic, are the LDO copies one encounters, but they are at least of the original period. I generally do not look at 3rd Reich-era copies of the 1914 Iron Cross but I have made exceptions, as in the case of a beautiful .800 silver, vaulted screwback EK1 by C F Zimmermann, in its fitted case, bearing the LDO "L/52" hallmark. I will also make exceptions for the 1870 EK2 produced after the institution of the 25th Anniversary Oakleaf clasp because they were likely to have been acquired and worn by recipients.

      I still won't look at a 1939-pattern Knight's Cross by Steinhauer & Lück if it has die flaws on the beading...

      PK

    8. hello all,

      First of all , sorry about the bad images, I dont know why my scanner didnt give me a nice image as usual.

      I would like to know your opinion about this 1957 RK, some collectors have said to me that is a fake RK so I am wondering what do you think,

      Thanks in advance!

      Humberto

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