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  1. Hello, I think that it could be interesting to describe the most typical Prussian award of WW1, in the version produced in Austria. They were closely similar to the "original" ones, with the difference in the iron centre that was "blued" with the same procedure used for firearms, instead of the typical black lacquer/enamel finish. The manufacturer was the well-known firm Rothe & Neffe of Vienna I provide the pictures of two pieces: a full-size and a "Prinzengr??e", resp. with the Austrian triangular ribbon for combatants and non-combatants. Obverse:
  2. this one measures between 44-45mm. solid brass or tombac planchet with a silver wash. at some point a lacquer coating was applied to the obverse in order to protect the rather flaky paint on the stippled core. which is fine by me-- can't smell anything, so it wasn't done recently.
  3. Guys, Bit of scrap iron again. Can't make out the maker! Home made bar?
  4. Please forgive the pic quality--am trying to figure out how to resize. Anyways! Here is a neat one: this one has seen some use..
  5. Hi Guys, Just arrived this is a piece to me. What do you think about the box?
  6. here's a very fine cross that i am on the fence about. while the core does not have the traits of the established type, the cross has an attribute associated with hansen, and found only on certain hansen crosses. the screw post is very finely done, with a flat finished end. it's done so that the end will fit the disc flush. overall this FLAT cross is finished very well--the corners are all hand finished, some nice higher-content silver frames (unmarked) that have a beautiful rainbow tarnish, and a decent core the fact that the inside of the disc has the same panoply of colors in the tarnish-- many hues of yellow, green, brown, purpley blue, and black, as the tarnish on the back of the cross--is a very good sign for me any ideas? either way you look at it--- it's a very, very nice cross!
  7. This was a little more than I usually am willing to pay but, the condition made it worth it.
  8. According to the seller (was a private buy) tis belonged to Lt. d. Res Anton Kriete of the Garde Füsilier regiment... Has 4 stars on the screw. Stupidly, the guy I got it from was not a collector, and be polished them to make them nice and sellable....
  9. I am a bit hesitant to bring this up for discussion as I dont want to piss Joe off, but I am sure he wont mind. I find the onyx and silver EK2 to be a fascinating piece, what I am not so convinced of is, is purpos. Having said that, these are just a series of thoughts thrown together on a two hour drive and they may be ripped apart by the members. After some deliberation, my conclusion is that this may be a very exclusive private purchase piece, as opposed to a Willy 2 presentation piece. My reasoning is as follows... Technically "the Iron Cross" is just that, an iron cross with silver rims added for easier wearing. Although an intergral part of the award, the rims are just a frame, the iron core is the symbolic part of the award. Even in WW2 the iron centre was a sacred cow, the brass centered crosses being banned at some point. The rims themselves did not seem to be a big issue, either silver or "some white metal" but that has little to do with the "core" issue. The question that bothers me is... Would Willi, guardian angel of the iron cross tradition, have handed out medals that obliterated the symbolism of the iron cross, because the iron cross was shrouded in symbolism. The tradition of the cross also dictates that all men were equal, a simple cross of iron...and Basta... If there were to be special recipients, who were they? The Kaiser, crown prince, archdukes and generals all have regular awards. So, if the top brass did not get these and I am unaware of foreign dignatories getting the EK... Who did. The figure of 50-200 I assume is based on a rough estimate of how many people may have been in a position to be decorated by the Kaiser, but Willy spent his days pinning these things on in all directions. The really big brass often had 1870 EK2s or recieved the 1914 ones in the first weeks of the war... After that there was noone really of a high rank to award these to, Which would point to these being made as EK1s as well maybe as these would have been needed later in the war more than EK2s for top guys. So, assuming that this cross DOES go against the spirit of the "Iron" cross, and we cannot find a photo of a big cheese wearing one... I would say that it is unlikely that this is a Kaiser award piece and probably an expensive private purchase piece. I would even go as far as to guess it was made between the wars when there was no govt body to control who wore what, I dont think in that form it would have been worn on the chest of a soldier in official uniform. The only person who seems to have worn a visabley Non "Iron" cross in official uniform was Goering, although some folks doubt the originality of the "Onyx" Grosskreuz. If my suppositions and musings are in fact correct, then it could be that any jeweller in Vienna, Berlin (etc.) could have produced this as a one off or ten off or hundred off for the deep pocketed rich and byoooootiful. I am not asking anyone to assume that I automatically know what I am talking about just becase I am posting an opinion, and maybe someone has a pic of the Crownprince wearing one and eye witness reports of the Kaiser pinning them on... At the very limit I hope this stimulates a lively discussion.... Best Chris
  10. A 1914 EK Stickpin - Its nice enameled. How ommon are those enameled ones?
  11. Found this Photo in a Train Set from ww1 and after. Interesting addition - sword on a single mount Ek ribbon. Probably a new "fashion" Anyone has something else to show?choose files... Click to choose files Stefan
  12. Hallo Gentlemen, very uncommon document I believe for a Postumous WW1, EKII sent to wife of the winner. On German Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/EK-2-mit-Postume-Verlei...1QQcmdZViewItem Am I right in thinking they are rare?? Kevin in Deva
  13. Hallo,biete hier eine Verleihungsurkunde f?r das Eiserne Kreuz 2. Klasse an.Ausgestellt am 14.03 1918.Verliehen am 29.12.1917.Maschinengewehr-Scharfsch?tzen Abteilung 2/3. Kompanie http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...A:IT&ih=013 Ok, so what is so special abouth this doc that it is up to 181 euros with more than a day to go?
  14. I have been pretty much been persuaded about the KO being Klein And Quenzer, a theory arrived at by process of elimination as opposed to proof.... but it seems/Seemed the most likely solution... Here is a page from Michael Baldwins book "Feldzug 1914".... A book overlooked by EK collectors because it is basically Headgear/Uniforms/Equipment. (I cannot recommend them enough! I just got the 1914, 15, 16 volumes today....) Thoughts? Obviously the Münzamt theory has been laid to rest..... but the label on the box is from a factory/maker and not justr a distributer.....
  15. How many of you Imperial collectors own (or in some cases, know of) the Hamelman book about Imperial Iron Cross documents? It is long out of print, the quality of the printing is not good and it has numerous errors, but that can all be overlooked as it is a relatively early work and in those days info was much harder to come by... and it is the only Imperial EK doc book around so far.
  16. I was doing some epsonning at 600dpi, and tried three white ribbons... Ribbon one, a between 1871 and 1900 (approx) ribbon... two is unknown origin three was issued to a bavarian in 1920.
  17. Gentlemen, I am very fond of award documents of medals an decorations to the German Navy. Question: does any one know how many EK2 and EK1 have been awarded to Navy personnel for the Great War, and how that compares to the Army? Next some EK2 documents from my collection. Many EK documents were made up after Armistice, but this particular preleminary Besitzzeugnis was awarded to an Obermatrose o/b SM Linienschiff Nassau on 29-8-1917. The signature is of the ship's captain (from 12-1-1917 / 10-11-1918) Kapitän zur See Victor Reclam, who was pensioned in January 1920 as Konteradmiral. SMS Nassau, with a complement of 1000, saw much action in 1916. The most note worthy were the bombardment of Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft in April; the Battle of Jutland, where combined artillery from SMS Nassau, Thüringen, Ostfriesland and Friedrich der Grosse sank the RN armoured cruiser Black Prince and where Nassau was hit by artillery shells and collided with the RN destroyer HMS Spitfire. In august she participaded in the failed break-out of the German Fleet to the North Sea.
  18. here's an uncleaned example that appears to have a moon, crown, 800 stamp on the ring. which maker are are these attributed to? i forget!
  19. Or at least I think so. I’ve seen plenty of 2nd class crosses that have been converted to 1st class by the addition of a needle to the reverse but after owning this for at least 13 years I’ve just realised it’s a 1st class core with a 2nd class silver frame. Yes ok, I should have seen that at once but I bought it, put it away and have only just looked at it again. It seems to be a lot of effort to go to and I wonder how the whole backplate and needle went missing in the first place. So, have the cross collectors out there seen this type of conversion before? Tony
  20. Apparently from this same officer.... it seems to be one piece solid silver!? Sadly the guy who had them thought they looked better cleaned.....
  21. Enjoy with my collection !!!! First one from Wien ..
  22. Here is a small out of the bag set... There is some soft paper in the blue envelope to wrap the cross, the brown paper had the ribbon wrapped in it, it was obviously not in the blue envelope.
  23. Hi Gents, I wan´t to share this very nice document with you. Unfortunately or not it´s glued into his Militärpaß Comments welcome Kind regards Andreas
  24. Had a bit of a porcilane day today, bit worn but still ok for its age.
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