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  1. Do you have original serbian / royal yugoslav chetnik items from WWII ? Let us see your badges, cockades, patches and daggers or other items.
  2. Greetings! I would greatly appreciate if someone more experienced could please help me authenticate and/or identify the medal in the photos. This is supposed to be St. Sava 4th Class, possibly made by Huguenin. It confuses me that the Cyrillic letter 'P' in the fourth word looks like a square (☐ instead of Π). In addition, letters V and M in the first word look different than in most other variants. Does this raise a red flag about the authenticity? Anyone seen this before? Front: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g4u2cont5lp5ng/DSC_1302.JPG?dl=0 Back: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbohlcipx8n3sxk/DSC_1305.JPG?dl=0 Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Zoran
  3. Zlatko Čondić, a fellow collector, asked me to open this topic about a new book by Mr. Branko Bogdanović. The book is written in Russian and English and it was published recently. It contains many excellent photos and information unavailable to the most of us. The author gave his permission to upload couple of pages as an illustration.
  4. Hello. I am trying to date a Grand Cross of the Order of St Sava. If I am not mistaken, it can be determined by the color of the robe of the Saint. Please take a look at the photos and let me know what you think. Also, it would be great to know the maker (like Huguenin). Thank you. Linas
  5. Some photographs and postcards of Serbian soliders: King's guard 1903. Serbian artilleriy 1914 Paris, Victory parade Paris, Victory parade 1919 Serbian soliders
  6. Would like to share this award I got today.They were awarded to the lower ranks and came in 3 date versions,1916,1917,1918.
  7. This is my only photo of Serbian artillery in WWI. Captured by the Austrians. These are French Schneider 75mm M1907 field guns; the standard Serbian field piece. It would be great to see any photos others might have ...
  8. I would start a thread aimed at pooling some online resources concerning the Southern European States and Balkan Orders and Medals Countries to include: Portugal, Spain, Monaco, Italy, Cyprus, Malta, Greece, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Republic of Macedonia & Serbia. Kindly post any relevant links. Thanks! Jim Greece: http://www.presidency.gr/en/tagmaTimhs.htm
  9. Unlike usual medals this one has crown and is made out of gold (22,19 g). Medal is offered by Barac & Pervan, start price is 12.000€. I believe I saw the same medal once before and back then it didn't have suspension ring and ribbon. Anyway it could very well be unique, I have never saw another one like that nor did I find any information about it in the literature.
  10. I don't know much about these medals, so I will only post them (pics are taken from a few eBay auctions). 1993 Medal (eBay item number: 200089231923) On the reverse, in cyrillic: For the honourable cross and the golden freedom - Republika Srpska 1993 1993 Medal "Hero Milan Tepic" (eBay item number 200089232082) On the reverse, in cyrillic: Glory, that is the dreadfull sun of the martyr - Republika Srpska 1993 That is the final verse of a poem by Jovan Ducic, Himna pobednika (Hymn of the winners), a Serbian poet of the late XIX, early XX century. 1993 Bravery Medal "Gavrilo Princip" (eBay item number: 200089232146) On the reverse, in cyrillic: For bravery - Republika Srpska 1993 Regards, Filip
  11. I weighted few medals from my collection from left - 25.9 gr silver class numbered medal , 26.6 gr gold and 29.2 gr another gold classes .
  12. Greetings Gentlemen, I am starting this topic with two goals, first to gather in one place and share with others pictures of various military related items, and other to promote our museums. Pictures are from official web sites, I hope that you will find them interesting as much as I did. -National Museum of Serbia -official website http://www.narodnimuzej.rs/ -wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Serbia Order of the Star of Karageorge 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Jovan Avakumović http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Avakumovi%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-54567500-1361406890.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-16199500-1361407574.jpg Order of Saint Sava 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Milenko Vesnić http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milenko_Radomar_Vesni%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-51905900-1361408093.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-77376200-1361407895.jpg Order of the White Eagle 1st grade - C.F. Rothe [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-90627900-1361407838.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-21316500-1361408302.jpg Order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus 1st grade - Cravanzola Successore Fratelli Borani [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Military order of Christ 1st grade - Frederico B. Da Costa [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Legion of Honor (1870-1951 type) 1st grade - Arthus Bertrand [belonged to Milenko Vesnić]
  13. Last year was the 200th anniversary since the start of the Second Serbian Uprising. The day when it started, 23. April, is today celebrated as the Day of the Serbian Armed Forces. Decision about special medal that would commemorate the occasion was made in 2015 but they were awarded this year. One of these two was awarded to a family member and they came in plastic bags. Even though quality of the medals is not that great they do look much better in person. Anyway I just wanted to share couple of images to show you how they look like, I think this is the first modern commemorative medal of that kind.
  14. I found this list in book "Knights of the Star of KaraÄ‘orÄ‘e with Swords" by Tomislav Vlahović (Витезови Карађорђеве звезде Ñа мачевима - ТомиÑлав Влаховић). Considering that this is British forum perhaps someone will find his/hers ancestor in the list. I will write down all of the names in alphabetical order, please don't reply until I finish. SS stands for Silver and GS for Golden Soldiers' Star. PS please don't mind if I misspell a name, I am writing them as found in the book.
  15. This piece was sold couple of weeks ago on ebay. I have never seen a medal like that before, back side looks just like the front side of the Silver Medal and the front side is also very different from the ones we usually see. Rare variant, prototype or something else? http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-7937-0-44578600-1394656552.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-7937-0-95364700-1394656562.jpg
  16. I just noticed a terrible fake on ebay. There is of course no mention of this in the description, it is offered as Serbian Military Academy Badge 1860(!?)-1880 Rare. Even though photos are pretty bad I think it's obvious that the badge is not original. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-7937-0-43056100-1409684358.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-7937-0-04548000-1409684365.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-7937-0-72855000-1409684370.jpg
  17. Dear Gents, In the French medal collection I have just acquired (see also under France) there are two types of what seems to be the same medal: Next to the obvious difference in ribbon, the suspension is different as well: Type 1: Ball suspension standing on a small "foot" Type 2: Ball suspension seems to be attached directly to medal And also the amount of detail and the size of the years: Type 1: Notice the bigger 1914 1918; more detailed/sharper lines Type 2: Smaller 1914 1918; more rounded lines, not as detailed Can anyone shed a light on this differences? They come from the same man (sailor), is there a particular reason why hy would have gotten two medals? Or is there a different meaning attached to the different ribbon? Thank you for your opinions!
  18. About a year ago I started a separate topic about king Milan's decorations here. In the meantime I've acquired the book "Glory and honor, decorations among Serbs - Serbs among Decorations" (original title "Слава и част, одликовања међу Србима - Срби међу одликовањима") by Mr. Dragomir Acović in which the author gives us the complete lists of decorations of Montenegrin king Nikola I Petrović, king Milan and king Aleksandar Karađorđević among others. So far I wasn't able to find a list of decorations of king Aleksandar Obrenović so I'll do my best to make one myself based on available information and various portraits and photos found online. Making a list of his domestic decorations is not so hard job but there are couple of medals I'm not sure about. SERBIA -Order of St. Price Lazar -Order of Miloš the Great 1st Class -Order of the White Eagle 1st Class -Order of the Cross of Takovo 1st Class -Order of St. Sava 1st Class -Order of the Red Cross Now the harder part - medals. On Vlaho Bukovac's portrait from 1900 we can see that Aleksandar is wearing 3 medals on his medal bar - between St. Sava and the Commemorative Cross of the War of 1885-86. It appears that the first medal's ribbon is red and blue while the remaining two have red, blue and white combinations. Based on that my guess is that they are: Medal for Zealous Service in War of 1885-86, Medal Commemorating April 1st 1893 and Commemorative Medal of the 60 Years of King's Guard.
  19. Hello! Can somebody tell me, wich class of Takovo is this? Thanks!
  20. Inspired by Paja's recent post on the FRY Medal of Philanthropy (and his kindness in giving me permission to use the images, followed by a lot more information!), I have been having a delve into the ODM of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in general. The complete set was instituted in a single law, the Law on Decorations of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, 4 December 1998, a copy of which I have found online: http://www.podaci.net/_z1/3119776/Z-odliko02v9859-0121.html (in Serbian, of course). This lists all the orders, decorations and medals with the number of classes and what they were awarded for, but does not describe them. Paja tells me that there is a booklet that contains the law plus illustrations, and I think that I have found at least some of the pictures online. These are not up the the quality that I like for my website but at least give me an idea of what I am looking for! The interesting thing is that many of the names of orders are the same (or similar) to those used by communist Yugoslavia (the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to give it its full name), and from what I can make out of the images the design has not changed greatly either. The Communist Yugoslavian designs were not as overtly 'communist' as many of the Eastern Bloc ones, which helps, and it seems that in many cases the main change has been to replace the state coat-of-arms with the new one (and that often on the reverse!). I'll post what I have, with apologies for the quality, and ask that everyone look out for better pictures for me :)
  21. I usually don't receive a lot of gifts from relatives near my birthday (because they usually end up forgetting my birthday! except my mum and dad) but this year was an exception, oddly enough I received this in the mail today (my birthday isn't for 2 weeks), it was adressed to me and came with 2 other medals (a Montenegro Medal I'll post in the Montenegro section, and a Austrian Minitarue which I'll post in the Austro Hungarian section) it was from my Uncle and Aunt living in Toronto Here are the pictures of the "Kara George" Mini It is a "perfect" example by my eyes, I can't find a scratch or ding As you can see its a "2 part", it is all the more amazing because the piece itself is no larger than a small coin ( The Cross itself is just above the size of a penny) and yet the detail is superb You can even make out the writing on it a bit. Hope you guys enjoyed it a lot I'm still getting over the shock it is probobly the most beautiful pin ever ! Regards, Igor
  22. Greetings, I have recently acquired this order made by Huguenin Brothers in very nice shape with it's original box. Here are just couple of pictures. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-7937-0-17279400-1372526352.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-7937-0-84579700-1372526439.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-7937-0-59618800-1372526644.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-7937-0-47618000-1372526798.jpg
  23. Some time ago this, so called St. Sava for non Christians was offered for sale on auction at a staggering starting price of 9000€, accompanied by the following description: "Serbia - St. Sava Order 2. model (1903-1945) for Non-christians Grandofficers Set. 1.) Cross: Silver partially gilded and enamelled multiple parts and open work on movable crown on decorated neck ribbon ring with likly incorrect neck ribbon 2.) Star: Body silver diamond cut multiple parts device partially gilded and enamelled open work device reverse twice screwed on on pin.#88 x 52 mm / 93 x 89 mm325 g / 862 g.##Contrary to the regular decorations the following differences are obvious - the breast shields of the double-head-eagles in the corners of the arms are removed as well as the dedication in the medallion wreath St. Sava from the medallion was replaced by the Iron Crown of the Lombardy. The changes where made in juweleres quality and before the decoration itself was assembled. #The Order was given for various merits in the civil sector as well for merits in the field of Religion. Like in Russia - wehre there are decorations for Non-christians - in the christian-orthodoy-muslim Serbia they did same with the Order that was named after a christian Saint. Saint Sava as well as the medallion circumscription dedicated to him that can easily be viewed as christian representatives where replaced by the Iron Crown of Lombardy. The crown is an ancient symbole of crowning - it should originate from the 5. Century and was first posessed by the Ostrogoths King Theoderich and was used for crowning first time by Konrad III. Many more crownings should follow. Therfor its a simbole showing the legitimacy of the serbian royal dignity which made an award to a Non-christian then also possible. Of greates rarity." Never having heard of a piece like that I was quite skeptical at first. And it didn't get better from there on. Having spoken to our dear member paja, he confirmed my concerns. So what's the idea behind this piece? Since Sava is a Christian saint, an award bearing his depiction would be unfit for a recipient believing in a different religion. So far the story but is it likely that these pieces were awarded? I don't think so. First of all why has no other piece been seen or even mentioned in the corresponding literature? Surely there was more than one award to non Christians. What about the Japanese medal bars we have seen with St Savas? - All of them were standard issues. What about the Crown of Lombardy? How has that anything to do with Serbia? I think the logic was supposed to be that the iron crown was the first insignia of Christendom, which also wouldn't be fitting for non Christians. Another thing: The star base appears to be Huegenin made (so post WWI)- why would anyone consider the sign of an enemy state (formerly part of the Austrian Order of the Iron Crown) as a fit? Why not just follow the Russian example and put the double headed eagle at the center? This looks to me like an authentic order that has been doctored just to make some extra bucks.
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