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  1. Here is a Brazil vic on loan to me; an official type 2 according to Mr Laslo's book (no edge mintmark). Regards, Rob
  2. Dear Gentlemen, this post is an attempt to display the variations in the Romanian Inter-Allied Victor Medal of W.W.1 the medal has been described in detail in the book ?The Inter-Allied Victory Medals of World War 1.? by Alexander J. Laslo. Pages 79 - 82. Designer: Constantin Kristesko. Manufacturer: Unknown. Probably a commercial firm in Paris. Number Issued*: Approximately 300,000. * Applicable to the Official type. Number of Unofficial issues not known. Unofficial makers to numerous to know. Basic design showing to the front a standing ?Victory? with a downward pointing sword held in the left hand point of the sword behind the right foot. The right foot standing above the rim with a fold of the dress hanging over the edge. Rear: Heavy chain with names of ten of the Allied Countries on the links, starting at the 9 o?clock position with the name ROMANIA, ITALIA, FRANTA, ANGLIA, BELGIA, GRECIA, JAPONIA, SERBIA, *RIC* and CHINA.In the centre of the medal a double edged battle axe standing upright to the left laurel leaves and to the right oak leaves, the words MARLE RAZEBOI over PENTRU CIVILIZATIE. / THE GREAT WAR FOR CIVILISATION. The medals in my picture show from left to right: Medal 1 & 2: Official Type, this comes with the designer name lightly impressed on the rear next to the link of the chain with the word ?JAPONIA.? Diameter: 36mm for both and ball mount for ribbon ring, and 4mm thick Medal 3: Unofficial Type 1, nearly the same as the official but has not got the designers name next to the JAPONIA link. Diameter: just a shade over 36mm, and has a ball ribbon ring mount, and 4mm thick Medal 4: Unofficial Type 2, not being as refined or detailed as the official types, no designer name, in the countries names the ?N? letter has been inverted and the ?C? letter has replaced the letter ?G? so the names read: ROMAИIA, FRAИTA AИCLIA, JAPOИIA, and CHIИA. And the letter ?G? in the names are replaced with a ?C? and read ANCLIA, BELCIA, CRECIA, There also shows a defined rim to the edge of the medal. Diameter: just a shade short of 38mm, and ball ribbon ring mount, and 3mm thick. Metal types varies. Medal 5: Unofficial Type 3a, there is a pronounced difference in the wings of ?Victory? and both the right foot of the figure and the robe drape over the rim. With regards the rear the connecting links of the chain between the links with names are very thin, the words are still spelt with a ?C? instead of ?G?, but the letter ?N? is the Roman version as opposed to the Cyrillic version, next to the ?JAPONIA? link is part of a leaf in the place of the designer name on the original. Diameter: 36mm and the ribbon ring mount is cylindrical, the medal is a shade over 4mm thick. Medal 6: Unofficial Type 3a, (Cast Type) very rough appearance above the right wing tip of ?Victory? can be found a molding flaw, both the foot and robe blend into the rim, good detail to the rear but a rough appearance to the metal, the country names again feature a ?C? instead if a ?G?, but the letter ?N? is the Roman version as opposed to the Cyrillic version, and again a leaf design protrudes into the space where the designer name is found upon the original. Diameter; is between 35 - 36mm, the ribbon ring mount is cylindrical, and the medal is 4mm thick. All thickness measurements are taken from the centre of the medal between front and back. GENERAL INFORMATION ON THE ROMANIAN VICTORY MEDAL: The Romanian Victory Medal was established by King Ferdinand I on the 20th of July 1921 with High Decree No. 3.390/921. Award criteria for the Victory medal were issued in Ministry of War Decision No. 847 of 3rd of August 1921. According to High Decree No. 3.390/921, all personnel who effectively took part in the fighting at anytime between 28th August 1916 and 31st of March 1921 were eligible for the Victory Medal. The late date was probably intended to recognize operations following WW1 which lead to the annexation of Transylvanian region of Hungary. Decision No. 847 listed the categories of personnel eligible for the Victory medal. "No minimum period of service was imposed, however entitlement was limited to combatants and to those traditionally noncombatant role directly related and contributed to the fighting at the front or from a rear area, such as aircraft mechanics, stretcher bearers, surgeons, hospital orderlies, and Chaplains. Commanders of Artillery units, Divisions, Corps, and Armies, their Chiefs-of-Staff and Staff Officers, who performed duty at the front, while falling somewhere between combatants and noncombatants, also were eligible. Officers decorated with Order of Military Virtue, automatically qualified, yet military attaches were specifically excluded." Decision No 847 emphasized that ?personnel outside these categories were not entitled to the Victory Medal, and that the greatest care will be taken to ensure that those that were remote from the fighting were not recommended.? The medals hung from a "Rainbow" ribbon of a style peculier to the Romanian design, however variations have been encountered, I personaly believe that the official medals came from France with a ribbon, while the unofficial medals were supplied with a ribbon of local manufacture, however I have no documentation to back this up, so it must remain as conjecture. THE UNOFFICIAL VICTORY MEDAL: These variations of the unofficial Victory Medals may have been prompted by a provision in Decision No, 847 which allowed veterans, after obtaining the Authorizing Brevet, to wear a facsimile Victory Medal, purchased from a commercial source until the official versions was sent and received by the veteran. Given this sanction, it has been speculated that several military outfitters began to produce the Victory Medal in advance of the official striking to meet a perceived demand among the military veterans. Lacking an official example to model their version on these suppliers had to resort to a drawing, or drawings or more likely a written description of the proposed medals design, which ultimately lead to a variation in the dies and made the refined product more difficult to achieve. This and the inferior manufacturing techniques, and the rush to complete the medals resulted in some very crude interpretations and models being produced. It is known that large numbers of Romanian WW1 veterans bought these unofficial medals including some lacking the Authorizing Brevet, others never bothered to obtain the official medals when available and added the unofficial medals to their medal bars where they remain to this day. I have in my possession a bar for over 25 years service to a Romanian officer which has an Unofficial Victory Medal mounted upon it. Accompanying the Victory Medal was the ?Brevet? or award paper which normally measures 21.2 cm by 34.5cm. The first picture shows Front of Medals 1 - 2 - 3. Kevin in Deva
  3. Here are a couple of pics of my Siam and a Brazil vic on loan for reference. Once I work with my temperamental scanner I'll post others. I hope these help. Regards, Rob
  4. Well, it's been awhile and the thread is starting to get quiet. I figure either people are losing interest or running out of new material to post. Do we want to venture into the States and local issue VIC's here or should we start a new and separate thread? Tim Oregon State issue:
  5. My American Victory Medal with "France" Bar. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2009/post-950-1247584101.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2009/post-950-1247584111.jpg Kevin in Deva.
  6. My Czechoslovakian Victory Medal. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2009/post-950-1247584649.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2009/post-950-1247584663.jpg Kevin in Deva.
  7. As we start out, we can use this thread for Philippine Victory Medals, variations in medals/ribbons, etc. I wasn't going to add this one but, Laslo does discuss this variety, and they did exist. I'm hoping to see collectors that may have these in their collections come forward with some discussion. Tim :cheers:
  8. Here is a Cuban group from the mid 1930's with a locally produced gilt finished vic, mounted on a nice 'Libertad' bar. I have a number of cuban vics and this is one of the gilt variety. Group consists of: * Order of Military Merit 4th class cross, with dark red enamel. * Long Service medal, with 5 chevron devices. * Unofficial Cuban victory medal. * National Reconciliation medal, with 1 star device. The victory medal was not made by Chobillon in France and accordingly does not have the 'C.Charles' makers mark on the obverse. This vic was produced locally in Havana by the firm of Vilardebo & Riera. They were the official maker of the Cuban Army medals and decorations. It very closely resembles the official vic strike from Chobillon. Regards, Rob
  9. I have been wanting to do this exercise in a while..... And although its not exactly top quality professional graphics but I thought I'd share it with you guys anyways! Incidentally, I am sure that I am missing out on a number of other Victory medals. Can anyone post these so that I may incorporate them into an even bigger comparative pic (unless this already exists elsewhere and you can point me in the right direction! Jim
  10. I saw a British Vic Medal to an Indian Halvidar in an antique shop this weekend, but was concerned that it felt "lighter" than other Brit Vic's in my collection. It didn't have a nice "heft" and seemed detail seemed "thin" on the obverse side. Were Vic's to the Indian Army made differently than others? Also, the unit was engraved I.G.A - I thought this might be Indian Garrison Artillery, but when checking unit abbrev's on the UK Archives site, no such abbrev was listed. Any thoughts from the Vic Medal experts? (cross posted from UK forum)
  11. Hallo Gentlemen, this heads-up was recently posted over at the O.M.S.A. by:- Rdave O.M.S.A. Member 7876 with regards Fake Inter-Allied Victory Medals amongst others, so I thought I would add it on here:- Kevin in Deva.
  12. Hello all, Here are a couple of Panama Medals of Solidarity. While Panama played no active part in the Great War they did award this medal in solidarity to the allies and it is associated with the Great War and the Interallied vic series in general. According to Alex Purves' book 'The Medals, Decorations & Orders of the Great War 1914-1918' this medal was produced in limited quantities, in three classes. Numbers awarded were reportedly 100 to each of the allied countries. Medals were awarded in gold (silver-gilt) to commanders in chief, silver with a rosette to generals and senior officers and bronze to officers and other ranks. This silver version, while not mine, shows the rosette clearly. Bronze example to follow. Regards, Rob
  13. British & South African Victory Medals:- Left to right: S.A. U.K. U.K. British Mini front. Size 18mm. Kevin in Deva.
  14. Since I have a number of South African Victory Medals in my collection, can anyone tell me the difference between the Official Type 1 and Type 2. Any information on the 2 Repro Types would also be appreciated. Pictures/images also welcomed. Thanks in advance. Jean-Paul
  15. With all the medals found on the market these days, many have new modern ribbons that seem to be commonplace replacements, often sold as original ribbons. I thought I would show what I believe to be the correct color/pattern ribbon for the Italian Victory Medal and matching the description in Laslo's book.
  16. This is "pinned" thread so it doesn't get lost or bumped down to another page. As we start out, we can use this thread for general type topics. If you have a recommendation or idea, want to see something specific, or don't like something, post it here. Keep in mind, this is relating to this specific forum on the Inter-Allied Victory Medals of the Great War only . Bottom line, let make this new forum work for all of us. Tim :cheers:
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