Stogieman Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Is it real?Is it fake?why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 My vote would be fake based, for starters, on the shape of the crown well. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The cross is a dead give-a-way....FAKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) Hi Rick,Not one I'd want. The pin appears to be Meybauer but the reverse profile of the wreath tie/bow looks like a Juncker - an obverse pic would be nice to confirm this. Shallow crown well I also don't like. I'll leave the engraving alone - the same "blocky" style is known on some fakes though.RegardsMike Edited October 19, 2006 by Mike K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) I have seen a couple Meybauer pieces using the shallow crown well. I have a damaged "6 point star" marked badge with no other markings that has the same shallow crown well as this one , but an odd pin and I feel it is a real one. I can post it if you like. The engraving does not look like it is worded properly and is crude at best. I say original badge with fake engraving. Dan Edited October 19, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 You see a lot of engraved badges like this on ebay,that would make me cautious to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 From that photo I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Ding ding ding... all correct answers! Mike K. being the most accurate on points to consider. Here's the front: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Some additional points. in and of themselves, the crown well, the pin, the hinge, the cross are not of concern... roll them all into this badge. Uh, not a chance. An engraved badge is a custom piece, so the cross worked over is not unusual. BUT, the quickest, clearest give-away is the Meybauer styled pin with the bow on the front. They don't match. Also, while close, the pin is not a precise Meybauer match to known/accepted originals.Now...... given this, it must be noted that Juncker actually DID use a pin like this on their U-Boot Badges and certain Pilot Badges made in the 1930's/40's...... However, we then must fall back on the hinge/crown well are NOT Juncker in the least and neither are the die characteristics of the badge itself.... The engraving.... No German did that!ALSO< !! > I recently saw a fake engraving job done on the back of an authentic badge.... talk about just plain dumb..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Some thoughts on this one please?http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/11422.htmI don't think it is one I would want in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Mr. Smith,The cross, crown well and pin look plausible. And it is obviously made of silver with the green dross on it. As to the engraving, I know these seem dubious most of the time, but it does not appear to have been done recently. Beyond those thoughts, I leave it to Rick or the other experts. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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