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Sehr schön, Daniel.

I can add this one to Telegrafensekretär and SA-Sturmführer Robert Noll.

He founded the first NSDAP-Ortsgruppe in Münster 1922. His Partynumber was 16873, but I cannot find alot of information about him.

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Nicolas

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To revive this old topic, this popped up at the SOS this weekend:

Indeed I did. It is now residing in my gun safe.

Gentlemen, I can tell you that you have to see this bar (in person) to really appreciate it. Congratulations Beau! :cheers:

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Gents, 

Here is my contribution. I am not sure about the first ribbon as it could be a MEZ, a RAO, a KO or an EKII.

Unfortunately (for me), nothing related to China. But a lovely bar with two battle clasps.

 

BR, Chris 

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I agree here with ixhs, this bar has a RAO4 or a KO4. This is a so called 'old-style' ribbonbar and these were worn untill 1915. Some functioned solely as ribbonbars, but others functioned both as medal- and ribbonbars, usually with hooks on the back. A lovely piece, finding something related to a non-com RAO or KO is rare.

Kind regards, Laurentius

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We can  not be sure, what decoration is hidden behind the first ribbon.

A Prussian order on a white ribbon with black stripes is possible, but very scarce. I could only find 17 Crown Order 4th class and 14 Red Eagle Order 4th class on this very special ribbon for the war in Deutsch-Südwestafrika. These decorations were awarded to civil officials (e.g. postofficals), as to be seen for example for the Crown Order 4th class and the year 1906.

Even if the previous described combination is very likely, an Iron Cross 1914 on a white ribbon is not impossible.

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2 hours ago, Gensui said:

How about a MEZ?

Sorry, for missing this. To be true, its the most probable decoration! There were 63 awarded for the war in Südwestafrika, most of them in 1907. These medals were given to low ranking military officials.

 

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On 25/10/2019 at 17:28, laurentius said:

I agree here with ixhs, this bar has a RAO4 or a KO4. This is a so called 'old-style' ribbonbar and these were worn untill 1915. Some functioned solely as ribbonbars, but others functioned both as medal- and ribbonbars, usually with hooks on the back. A lovely piece, finding something related to a non-com RAO or KO is rare.

Kind regards, Laurentius

I personally like these old-style ribbon bars, I think they look fantastic with the field grey uniform. I thought it was just some sort of fashion that some people preferred them (or bought them additionally) over the small ones. Was there a directive given out in 1915 (maybe with the new uniforms??) that these should no longer been used? 

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They weren't forbidden, there are some pictures of them being used after 1915. However, they noticed that officers were being picked off by French snipers who knew that one of those big coloury pieces of metal on an officer's chest was a sure sign of a commanding person, so they'd shoot him. Cut off the snake's head, that kind of logic. 

I remember a picture posted on this forum by @Rick Research a long time ago. It was a picture of a general (the literal embodiment of a badass) with an old-style ribbonbar, an enlisted men's belt and a bayonet. I can't seem to find the picture, but if anyone knows or remembers this post by Rick could you be so kind to post the picture? Much appreciated.

Kind regards, Laurentius

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Thanks for answering, that makes sense!
I personally would wear the small one on the field and the large one at formal occasions away from the front not illustrious enough to wear the big medal bar. But well... I am sure there were much more important things to think off back then than what kind of medal bar to wear.

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@Utgardloki

I found the picture

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As I said, the true embodiment of badass, the Bruce Willis of his time. This general, whose picture was taken in 1918, is wearing an enlisted men's belt and bayonet, a helmet and an 'old-style' ribbonbar. This picture would also go great in the other thread about the Johanniter Orden.

Kind regards, Laurentius

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Well, that must have been how the ideal German general had to look like...

I hope You guys don't mind this a bit off-topic discussion...

 

Other pictures of him (Siegfried von La Chevallerie 1860-1950)

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18. Oct 1916 (2nd from the right side)

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23. November 1917:

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You might want to read this (very interesting):

https://zeitreise-bb.de/die-kriegserinnerungen-des-siegfried-von-la-chevallerie/

 

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