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Here is a wound badge "20 July 1944", as displayed in the Imperial War Museum in London.

There is no detail about its attribution.

I've read (or been told) that it could be a copy. What do you think ? Any additional info about this theory ?

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

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It is clear and obvious it did not look exactly like the one displayed in Detlev Niemann's Price Guide - edition 2 (page 555)... :(

Ch.

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The case looks a little too large if anything. In Angolia's "For Fuhrer and Fatherland" there is a good picture of Hitler awarding the badges to some of the recipients on Aug 20th. The case Keitel is holding appears to be nio larger than that for a regular wound badge.

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Hi Darrell,

Thanks for the comment. I thought this thread was lost somewhere in space :Cat-Scratch: ...

I don't know what to think about the box. I unfortunately don't know the picture you are referring to. Maybe you could post it here ? The one shown in the IWM is similar to another one I have seen in a russian book. Exactly the same. But these two boxes are in many points different from the one Detlev Niemann shows in his Price catalog (pages 555 - 556). Don't know what to think ? :unsure:

Ch.

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Thanks Darrell, :jumping:

In fact I knew and had this picture, but in a very small size. Now, just have to try to check the size of the bow, compared to the doc.

Ch.

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I'm surprised... No comment about this badge ? :rolleyes:

Ch.

Hello,

Maybe this copy doc suits the badge?

Jef

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Hi Jef,

For my information, where did you get this color copy? I have already seen it in B&W (in Detlev Niemann's book) but not in color...

Cheers.

Ch.

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Hi Jef,

For my information, where did you get this color copy? I have already seen it in B&W (in Detlev Niemann's book) but not in color...

Cheers.

Ch.

Hello Christophe,

I got it from a friend, who has several items. In this way, I know it's a fake. But what a fake!!! A golden bird... and a 3D stamp in the left undercorner.

kind regards,

Jef

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Hey, I don't know... Each time I see a pic of this badge, it looks like a different type... :rolleyes:

Ch.

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This is a badge shown here first out of the Imperial War Museum, differently coloured.

It is a copy.

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That is the case, you can see the same in the Museum.

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And this is the reverse, marked L 12 und 800.

The needle is marked with 4.

Regards

Uwe

I beg your pardon for my bad English

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Here is a wound badge "20 July 1944", as displayed in the Imperial War Museum in London.

There is no detail about its attribution.

I've read (or been told) that it could be a copy. What do you think ? Any additional info about this theory ?

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

Hello Christophe,

After looking at the pictures that you have posted and checking out William E. Hamelmans` book "German Wound Badges" pages 59-61, in my opinion, and what is pictured and written in Williams` book, this badge is a cast copy. Also in my opinion the case is also to big for the badge.

Best Wishes,

Justinkase

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Hello Christophe,

After looking at the pictures that you have posted and checking out William E. Hamelmans` book "German Wound Badges" pages 59-61, in my opinion, and what is pictured and written in Williams` book, this badge is a cast copy. Also in my opinion the case is also to big for the badge.

Best Wishes,

Justinkase

Thanks Justin for the comment. I was quite sure now it is not a real one; your precision goes in the same direction.

I will ask the IWM about it.

Thanks again.

Cheers.

Ch.

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This fake comes in two versions. One is die struck in real silver, measuring 45mm x 37mm and weighing 37gr. The other is cast, probably using the same die struck version as a "master" and isn't realsilver. It weighs30gr and measures just 43mm x 36mm. Even though the difference in size between the cast and die struck fakes is slight, it is enough to be visible.

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Reverse.

The smaller fake has the L/12 mark in the centre, the larger die struck one has L12 800, and also has the pin with the Steinhauer "4" mark.

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