Stuart Bates Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Well I got a reply from the Royal Navy Museum However, it still leaves the question of my Royal Naval Division Wolseley open. Stuart Dear Sir Thank you for your enquiry. The Royal Naval Division transferred from the authority of the Admiralty to the War Office on 29 April 1916 (Authority.- 79/8954 (S.D.2.) d/d. 29/04/16) and in May they changed their naval uniform for for army dress. I have not found anything in our sources on the RND that indicates their army dress had any variation to that issued to regular troops. There was a publicised dislike of the naval divisions by General Shute, who took command of them in October 1916 and it is unlikely he would have encouraged anything that further highlighted the difference between them and the other army units. It is possible that this item was issued while the brigade was briefly under Major General Paris or the army clothing department passed this unusual variant in haste, although this also seems unlikely. I wish we could be of more assistance on this occasion but wish you luck with any further research on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted June 15, 2010 Author Share Posted June 15, 2010 The King's Liverpool arrived today and this interior shot shows two broad arrows facing each other. This indicates Out of Service. It was also the property of the Aldershot Tattoo at some stage but all of the furniture matches. The chinchain has black velvet backing so this helmet was perhaps worn by a senior NCO. It was manufactured in 1910 by Everitt and Vero of East Dulwich Road, London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Is that part of an army serial number on the inside Stuart - MIC check etc? If it is just 9836, there was a Pte Joseph Clark of the regiment, entered "Asia" in April 1915, qualified for 1915 Star, BWM & VM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted June 15, 2010 Author Share Posted June 15, 2010 Leigh, yes that is the complete serial number. Thanks for looking it up. His being a private makes the velvet backed chinchain suspect, but it may have been added by The Aldershot Tattoo people. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG1918 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Stuart superb collection and considering your location an even greater achievement. Have you set ''boundaries'' on period and nation/unit. I am sure the National Army Museum in UK would love to see this display as it must surely rival some of the pieces held there. Best regards, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Thanks Mark. Initially I limited my collection to full dress i.e. the beginning of WWI but recently went into sun helmets - wicker, Colonial pattern, Wolseley pattern, Khaki Solar Pith Hats and Bombay Bowlers. The start point was meant to be early 19th century but the 1768 pattern bearskin mitre extended that. I have had mixed success with the NAM and find it quite difficult to get anything out of them. I would be surprised if their collections were not larger and better than mine. Cheers, Stuart www.militarysunhelmets.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG1918 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 A superb collection nonetheless. My experience with military museums throughout Europe incl UK has been the same. The strict rules with gifting and no doubt in the past loose accounting have ensured now that many curators have to be very rigid. In some ways that is good as I am sure we all agree this is the best method in order to preserve the past. The crime I think is when a curator has surplus, has an opportunity to enhance a national collection but does not have the will or knowledge to pursue an obvious advantage. I am sure we have all come across that!!! I have been lucky to meet some great curators who understand a museum and a collection should grow and improve, and one or two who consider it just a job and a pure 'maintenance' role. Anyway I am not ever going to change that mindset but I would like to think if our NAM were aware of your wonderful pieces thay would be more inclined to engage with you. Ether way happy hunting and you have every right to be proud. Mark Thanks Mark. Initially I limited my collection to full dress i.e. the beginning of WWI but recently went into sun helmets - wicker, Colonial pattern, Wolseley pattern, Khaki Solar Pith Hats and Bombay Bowlers. The start point was meant to be early 19th century but the 1768 pattern bearskin mitre extended that. I have had mixed success with the NAM and find it quite difficult to get anything out of them. I would be surprised if their collections were not larger and better than mine. Cheers, Stuart www.militarysunhelmets.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) Mark, I did send photos of my collection some time ago but no response. I hate that My main contact there is unhappy in her job "I've got a fine arts degree and I work here!" She doesn't bother with me anymore. I got some terrific stuff from the York Castle Museum, enough to make a full chapter in my book on the Wolseley helmet. The Glosters Museum and the Tank Museum were also very helpful, as were the Royal Navy Museum. Cheers, Stuart www.militarysunhelmets.com PS. you are up early! Edited July 1, 2010 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 Here is a Khaki Solar Pith Helmet to the Royal Armoured Car School. I verified this with the Tank Museum. This one has a faux ventilator cap i.e. there is no vent hole into the interior of the helmet. These officially replaced the Wolseley and cawnpore Tent Club helmets in 1938 in India but were worn for many years prior to that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 A pillbox cap to Sergeant Morris of the 13th Hussars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) It came with a cardboard hat box with inked name and regiment. And also has "Ballincollig" written on it. The regiment was stationed there in 1891. Edited July 12, 2010 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 (edited) Here is my latest Blue Cloth (thanks Benny) and is for a Cadet Officer of the Royal Military College. Instructors did not wear the Home Service Helmet. Edited August 11, 2010 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 That looks very spiffy indeed! Imagine wearing that on sunday as you walk in the park looking for nubiles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 Chris, at my age nubiles have to be paid for but I am in the depths of the country so they won't even come here (I think). Gad! back in the gutter again. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 If you lived in the UK that helmet would PROBABLY be considered a dangerous weapon... and get impounded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 (edited) So that's why they export them I thought it was just the money. Edited August 11, 2010 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Wolfe Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Very nice Home Service Helmet, Stuart. Great photo too by the way. Was that with the new camera? Regards Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 12, 2010 Author Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Brian, yes it was the new camera. I am slowly getting better. I shot it on the Chroma Green background and then added my blue background via Photoshop. My first attempt was with the helmet at an angle (a tad more interesting) and mounted on a perspex tube wrapped with the green cloth but Green Screen Wizard knocked out the part of the helmet where the tube was - indeed as it should. I don't think I will bother buying GSW now as the green contrasts so well that Photoshop does the job. Now I just need a couple of lights that are triggered by the camera's flash. Then I may become a good average snapper Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjac Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Stuart Another very nice helmet. You're going to need more shelves soon! Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 12, 2010 Author Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Patrick, I need (want?) one more Blue Cloth to even up the shelves. I have already overflowed into my office and there are storage/transit tins everywhere. I have three pine trunks also full of tins. Stuart PS. Going to get Skype? Shot with my little Sony as the Canon lens isn't right for a shot like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocktamson Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I am right on it Stuart!...wouldn't want your shelves to look uneven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 Jock, it gets worse as I need one with the cup and ball top. I have four - 1. Ordnance 2. Artillery 3. Medical Service 4. Artillery Volunteers I would like an Army Veterinary one Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servicepub Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 (edited) I shot it on the Chroma Green background and then added my blue background via Photoshop. I note that there are traces of green, probably due to reflection on the brass, as well as a line along the right side of the helmet and the spike. Have you encountered this on all of your photos? Overall, are you pleased with the Chroma process or is it just as well to close-crop using Photoshop? Clive Edited August 31, 2010 by servicepub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 (edited) Clive, I used Photoshop as it gives better results than Green Screen Wizard. Since I am red/green colour-blind I will always have trouble shooting on a green background so I will revert to a light blue next time. I have now learned how to use Contract and Feather in Photoshop and having acquired a studio flash which is triggered by the camera's flash I hope to get better results. We shall see when my new Green Cloth and Blue Cloth helmets arrive. Stuart Edited August 31, 2010 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 10, 2010 Author Share Posted September 10, 2010 Here is my latest acquisition, a Green Cloth to the King's Royal Rifle Corps. Many of you will have seen this one on Patrick's thread. I have no idea why he let it go, but let it go he did and I was the lucky recipient. It sports the second version of their helmet plate i.e. post 1881 and is in superb condition. Thanks Patrick! Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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