Scowen Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Post your RAD Honour pins here, for now both type I & II's This type I interestingly double marked for Assmann & Söhne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Type II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 My Type I A&S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Sorry not to be able to post clearer images. My P.&.L. example.RAD in a triangle. P.&.L. GES. GESCH.--dj--Joe Edited December 21, 2006 by --dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Here's mine - BSW (Bruder Schneider Werk) marked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted December 24, 2006 Author Share Posted December 24, 2006 I've added a better shot of the double Assmann mark to my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 (edited) Don, I note your point down triangle has RJAD and my point up triangle has RAD no J in sight. The RJAD seems to be more frequently encountered on RAD items judging from the few RAD items in my collection.Time frame difference? --dj--Joe Edited December 26, 2006 by --dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 Joe,I'm glad you pointed this out. I only noticed it when putting up the extra shot & wondered the same thing. I'll have a check through my books to see if there is a reference to this.CheersDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 The only reference that I can find to this is in Angolia's "Labour Organizations of the Reich":"Since the RAD was a national, rather than Party, organization it's uniforms and insignia were not subject to control by the Reichszeugmeisterei (RZM-National Supply Agency). They were, however, legally protected. Only authorized makers could supply the RAD. This authorization was indicated by a license or regestration mark (Zulassungseichen) depicted by an inverted triangle enclosing the letters FADJ and later RADJ with GES. to the left, and GESCH. to the right."So that implies anything other than this is incorrect...... This also poses the question as to the so called Type II badges/pins of which all that I've seen so far do not have the triangle at all, only the Ges. Gesch. Are these earlier than the Type I's thus too early for the mark (the original 1st design RADwJ brooch worn until 1937 never had such a mark) or are these fakes????? CheersDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Thanks for looking up the reference Don. Leave it to me to have something odd that does not fit the norm. I will do some checking around also.--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) After searching for a few days I can locate no examples to support my example! While I do not feel it is a repro. (it appears much more convincing in hand, my scans leave much to be desired) , I can not support it with other examples showing RAD in an up pointing triangle and so Don, if you wish to remove my images untill further investigation reveals an answer I am in full support.--dj--Joe Edited December 31, 2006 by --dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Joe,Thanks for the offer, however I think it will be useful to leave it, unless you wish it removed. The proceeding posts explain that there could be questions raised with it, but until we know more I think it should remain as an example to be researched. I think the same goes with the Type II I showed, if as it seems they also should have the RADJ mark then these too are questionable. This two pins clearly show more research is needed.......CheersDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Don, remain it shall! If ever I get a better image of the reverse I will post it, and should I find any further information, I will report back. Wishing all a Happy New Year!--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 He/Hu 3804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 As Pat (Avitas) is having trouble posting images since the forum software upgrade, I'm putting up these images on his behalf.Marked A.TH.CheersDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 Slightly different angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Notice the diferent pebbling of all the diferent makers. Waht is your favorite? And Benten and Mr. Rosenberg, you don't have one of these? have a nice weekend everybody. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenberg Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Now that you mention it,Robert-I indeed have something I remember looking much like these,I will tell you over the week-end have to find it first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 He/Hu 3804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 He/Hu 3804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted January 14, 2007 Author Share Posted January 14, 2007 A couple of nice badges there Alexey. Do you have a camera? Is it posible to get a shot from an angle (similar to the ones I've shown above) of the maker marks on the badge in post #19?CheersDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenberg Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Sorry,I don?t have an honour version,just an Arbeitsdank version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Here is mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Nick Your example appears to be a match to Alex's example. Cheers Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scowen Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Indeed, looks like it could be Dr. Franke & Co K.G Lüdensheid. Odd as I've never seen this maker on these before & now we have 2. Any chance of angle shot Nick revealing that symbol under the pin? Cheers Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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