robert pierce Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 This is my first post here on this forum. I would like to request identification regarding this 1st Class Spange from an 'unknown' maker. I have seen this type badge on other forums with both the tapered pin, as mine, and also the pin assembly like on a textbook Deumer. Please feel free to express your opinions on this badge, as to it being an original pre-1945 or not...Thank you,Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hunyadi Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Hi Robert - Welcome to the GMIC! I wish I knew more about these to tell you more - but its good to see you here! Your going to be a valuable member here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Robert,Ditto. This isn't my area of main study but I'm learning. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) Hello Good to see you over here on the GMIC. I believe this type of spange, (bar), to be a good original one, although the actual maker is unknown. There are examples of this bar in reference books, e.g. Gordon Williamsons 'The Iron Cross of 1939', page 185. I have seen these elsewhere and they are described as original by an unknown maker.So in my opinion, the bar is a good original. Edited February 8, 2007 by DavidM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 Thank you, David. I very much appreciate your reply and opinion. I've received a photo of the same badge from a friend, which I would like to post here for a comparison. Also I found the same badge in a worn condition on a dealer's site last night, posted here also for comparison. We'll see if the photos will fit the format...Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robert pierce Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 from a popular dealer's site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DavidM Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 HelloAll look to be by the same unknown maker to me. Among other areas which match, look at the style of the '1' and the '3' in date box. Also the rear hardware, especially the pin and the catch are all identical. In my opinion all three shown here are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Stunning example of one of the nicest Spange variants. A real "one-looker". Congratulations, its not often one sees such a nice example, and cased too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 Thank you Mr. Williamson, I don't know of anyone I would trust more for an opinion on this badge than you, sir. I feel completely confident in ordering it now. Thank you very much. Your work is legendary. And I would rather give a person 'a rose' now than later. Thank you again.BTW, I have been hearing so much about your book 'The Iron Cross of 1939' for so long, I want to order one. Can you please refer me to the publisher, that I might purchase this book?Respectfully,Robert Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Robert,Thank you for the kind words. I'm afraid that the Iron Cross book is now completely sold out. The publisher does intend reprinting it however, though I don't think any date has been fixed as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) HelloI've not had my copy of Gordons book for very long. I sourced mine via Amazon, and located a brand new, unwrapped copy in the USA through one of their approved 'partner' sellers. The price was very reasonable as well. Worth a look to see if any are still out there.Edit. Just had a quick look on Amazon.com and one seller is listing brand new copies of Gordons book at $159.88 plus $3.49 shipping via Warbooks. The price of these has gone up a lot in the last few months. You can also sometimes find Gordons book for sale on E-Bay.Hope this is of use. Edited February 8, 2007 by DavidM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) Thank you David,This is one book I just have to have. It seems whenever there's a doubt about whether or not a badge is authentic, the only place to find the truth is in this book. Thank you for the sourse. If there's one left I'll find it.Robert There was still some new books left through Amazon.com, and mine is on it's way. Thank you very much, David. Edited February 8, 2007 by robert pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robert pierce Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Well Gentlemen, The Spange finally arrived, and with some photo work is ready for unveiling....Any opinions welcomed.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon Williamson Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Superb. Whilst the EK1 Spange still turns up regularly with most of its frosting intact, this one is exceptional ! Simply stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 Thanks Gordon, I'm really happy with it. It's burnished areas really shine like a diamond. I'm so happy with it I had to go out and buy a worn piece, cased, by the same maker just to 'balance' things a bit. These spanges are really addictive. I love anything to do with the EK family. I also have an uncased Mayer on the way too, almost mint. I'll post everything here when they arrive. Can anyone tell me how many makers manufactured the 1st Class Spange during the war? I have yet to receive Gordon's book, so I'm still in the dark on things.Thanks again,Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnihht80 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Hi guys this is a very late addition but I too have the exact clasp although unboxed it has been attributed to Eugen Schmithaussler I hope you are able to see this post and it helps you and your research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 This spange was originally Unknown, but recently several have been found with the outer box (not case) and now is known as being made by Eugen Schmidhäußler . As for a box the best is authored by Dietrich Maerz and George Stimson "The Iron Cross First Class" which also includes all known First Class spanges. They recently released "The Spange to Iron Cross 2nd Class". You can buy both books from B & D Publishing, You have a very nice mint condition set. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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