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Anatoly,

please post pics of the side view for this star.

William

It was a hard work with scanner. :banger:

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And what about this :rolleyes:

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Hi Valuc!

There are 2 types of 2-nd and 3-rd classes.

1.1. Big white enameled circle and stars and letters on it.

1.2. Small white enameled circle and stars and letters on it.

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Great Anatoly, thanks! (and let me know when you'll receive the order off%20topic.gif)

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Thank you!

This info from old price list.

5-6 years ago one dealer send me it...

So,I have more rare type with convex star ! :love:

I have one with convex star as well.

Does anyone have order with flat star?

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I have one with convex star as well.

Does anyone have order with flat star?

I haven't seen order with the flat star yet.

Anatoly I see that you have changed your avatar. I like it !

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It looks like no one saw flat-type star.

It seems like it's the other way around and flat-type is rarer.

William

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Here is mine, cased with minature and ribbon bar :jumping:

Order of Victory

Hello!

Very nice badge,never seen this before. :jumping:

Regards

Nesredep

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There are 2 types of 2-nd and 3-rd classes.

1.1. Big white enameled circle and stars and letters on it.

1.2. Small white enameled circle and stars and letters on it.

Actually I don't really see the differences with the withe enamel circle. :unsure:

I do see a small difference with the letters and a big difference with the size of the 2 stars.

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Images of new type of Order of Yugoslavian People's Army 1st cl.

This order is made from tombac in 1981 - 1985, it has no hallmarks.

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This order has the same shape as yours. The only difference is used meterial.

I've red about this flat star but unfortunately I haven't seen any images of this type.

waldemar :cheers:

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You can see hier differences between Order of National Army 1st class, left made from tombac without any hallmarks and right made from gilded silver with hallmarks. You can see that the order on right side is higher as this on left side. The reason: the ring of laurel leafs is much thicker in order on the right side. Is the right order so called order with 'convex star' and the left one with 'flat star'?

What do you think?

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Waldemar!

The stars seems the same ,so I think the terms 'convex star' and 'flat star' to consider become outdated. ;)

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I forgot this image, you can see differences between both orders, beside the length of sword, letters have different size.

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Good Day, Gentlemen.

In what period of time the orders (silver) with wide and the narrow circles of white enamel were produced? What type is still earlier, more rare? Size and weight are quite different.

P.S. Anyone knows whether published in recent years an informative handbook on Yugoslavian awards? Thanks.

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Greetings,

I think that the narrow circle type is earlier, as to in which exactly period were they awarded I really don't know. The only 3rd class wide circle type I have with document was awarded in 1968, so that type definitely appeared before '68. That one weights 67.8 grams and the other type from my collection 60.5.
Most recent book that I can think of is "Orders of Yugoslavia - Guide of Yugoslavian Medals and Orders" by Marko Štok.
http://www.wehrmacht-odlikovanja.com/8-reklame/reklame.htm

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Glad to hear You.
Unfortunately exact information I didn't found but at some sites is other information - wide ring is earlier. Of course this is logical, since all committed to saving ;) and orders with narrow ring are smaller, the purity of silver and weigh are less.

I have wide 2 cl.(68,6g, noticeably lighter color of gilding) with a document of 1977. I understand that it may be attached any document as orders are without numbers... and narrow 2 cl. - 62,3g. Wide and narrow 3 cl. I have - difference is the same: 72,1/65,6g.

So, there is no concrete yet... :(

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Likewise.

To be honest I am really not sure about this. I thought that the narrow circle type was first in use because I think that tombak type, which is the last type, is more similar to wide circle orders. So it looked logical to me that the order was like this:

1. silver narrow circle

2. silver wide cirlce

3. tombak wide circle

Generally speaking I think those 900 hallmarks were introduced later, orders that were made earlier only had IKOM and (or only) rooster hallmarks. My wider circle order has IKOM, rooster and 900 hallmarks, on the other hand narrow circle has just IKOM and rooster. Both of them were made out of the same quality silver 900, on narrow circle type without 900 hallmark rooster is in hexagon. Is that maybe the same case with decorations from your collection?

Your 3rd class wide circle type is 72.1 and mine is 67.8, narrow 65.5 - 60.5 so weights are unfortunatelly very relative thing when it comes to Yugoslav decorations...

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You're right ! The main argument for me is the presence or absence of "900" hallmark, on my early Yugoslav orders (5 torches) it is absent. On my narrow 2 cl. there is hexagonal and on 3 cl. pentagonal hallmark. Wides already have "900". So, it's necessary to find out when "900" was added. Good luck!

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So, it's necessary to find out when "900" was added.

Exactly! You have mentioned orders with torches, I suppose that you are talking about Order of Military Merits even though torches are also used on Brotherhood&Unity. Earlier orders with 5 torches and central red stars with narrow edges don't have 900, at lest I haven't seen one like that so far. 5 torches type with red star with wider edges can be seen both with or without 900 (but I also have one 3rd class order like that that's definitely made out of silver but has no hallmarks at all). But silver 6 torches types all have 900! I've been trying to find photos of 6 torches type without 900, seen dozens of them, they all have that hallmark.

If we take that 6 torches type was introduced after constitutional change in 1963 I would say that 900 was introduced sometime before that year. That's about as close as I can get...

Unfortunately I don't have any literature about socialist decorations so all I write are some conclusions I made based on what I've seen.

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Morning !

That's right I meant 5 torches on these orders. So the hallmark 900 has appeared a little before 1963. The time frame have already narrowed ! And it means that the approval that orders with wide circle were earlier is not correct ;). Many thanks and good luck !

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