Christophe Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 Dear Christophe,I assume, that's a mere "copy" - just look at the quality .According to literature, no "unissued" Victories do exist.Best regards ChristianChristian,Of course, it is a copy... Look at the diamonds on the laurels, they have disppeared... Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) s/n. & "Order of Victory": What the "Red Bible" saysGentlemen,the well known "Red Bible" of the two US-Special Forces / Secret Service officers tells, that the Victory had neither a s/n., nor a mint mark.But it is noted, that the s/n. of the Victory is written in the OK .As far, as I can assume, they just checked the OK of Eisenhower's Victory, where they found the correct s/n. in the middle of the pages.No "unissued" or "museum" Victories should exist - they are just "copies". Brezhnev's Victory had been scratched.All Victories to Soviet Marshals and Antonov + the one to the Polish Marshal are locked at a special institution in Moscow.The Victories of Eisenhower & Montgomery are the well known places, Tito's you can find here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16820 and the one awarded to King Michael of Romania should be in Switzerland (where the former king lives) or should have been sold in the 1990s for about mere USD 300.000,- to a German collector. The former king stated in an interview, that he is still the owner of the Order of Victory, but who knows .... For me, it wouldn't seem unlikely, that the new Serbian Government might might sell Tito's high-end Soviet orders - Victory, Suvorov 1cl., Lenin & October Revolution + all the matching documents + photographs - to a collector from Russia or the USA, who is able to pay the right price for the items and replace Tito's orders in the museum with the usual copies.Well, that's just an "academic" issue, because no one here at GMIC (at least the active members ) has even the fraction of the budget for buying Tito's Order of Victory .Best regards Christian Edited June 3, 2007 by Christian Zulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 (...)No "unissued" or "museum" Victories should exist - they are just "copies". Brezhnev's Victory had been scratched.(...)ChristianHi Christian, Sorry, but no time to do long research right now, but what is the evidence (or literature) that this order has been scratched ? Do you have this info at hand ?Thanks in advance. Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) The story i heard goes that Breznevs OoV was taken back to the mint to be destroyed after his death but may not have made it and it has not surfaced since Order of Victory Edited June 3, 2007 by order_of_victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 Thanks Order of Victory. If someone has the complete story, I would be very interested in... Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Gentlemen,I do not have scientific evidence, that the mint has scratched Brezhnev's Victory. He got the informations from the well known platforms in the internet .But the story sounds good, because the former Soviet government didn't need an Order of Victory in stock - for what ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 A real one 'unissued" from the Central Armed Forces Museum in Moscow.Here is a bigger scan. I didn't know it was an original unissued piece. I thought it was a museum copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Dear Bryan,"unissued" had been a joke from Christophe .Of course, that's a copy, as Christophe stated .Best regards ChristianChristian,Of course, it is a copy... Look at the diamonds on the laurels, they have disppeared... Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 "unissued" had been a joke from Christophe .Of course, that's a copy, as Christophe stated .Oups ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 No, no... It's a real unissued one. They add the diamonds only when they award them... (Joke, of course.... ).Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Here is a bigger scan. I didn't know it was an original unissued piece. I thought it was a museum copy.Hi Bryan,It's a very nice pic. It is really very difficult to phototgraphy this order in its glass coffin...Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 There is 'copy' - or rather, a first attempt at an Order of Victory. Apparently it was rejected because it was even more expensive than the ones posted above (the final design). I'll post a pic here in a few minutes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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