EK 1914 1813 Kulm Iron cross first class! one to stay away from?

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Gents

I think its safe to say steer well clear of this beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1813-Kulm-Iron-cross-f...1QQcmdZViewItem

1813 Kulm Iron cross first class

(I think there was only one class so why he reffer's to it as a first class therefore implying there was more than one class is beyond me ) And you got to love the silver paint smears on the rear

HIS DESCRIPTION:

This is the ultra rare Kulm cross, issued by the Prussian Kingdome to Russian troops during the 1813 campaigns. The cross is manufactured from hammered iron and painted with a silvery boarder. Due to the simple manufacturing techniques, this cross is sold as a representative piece without provenance, however it is quite nice.

HIS START PRICE:

Starting bid: US $400.00

Kevin in Deva

[Naxos]

You want Provenance?

here is a picture of the original owner:

Hardy

[Laurence Strong]

At least he says it's "representative"! However his starting bid must have come to him in a revelation after smoking something

[Naxos]

Hallo Gents

(I think there was only one class so why he reffer's to it as a first class therefore implying there was more than one class is beyond me ) And you got to love the silver paint smears on the rear

Kevin in Deva

Kevin, I did a Google search on the Kulmer Kreuz and found this interesting article apparently there was a first class .

The article is in German: http://www.historischer-service.de/preusse...n/kulmkz01.html

Hardy

[Ed_Haynes]

Would anyone really expect a legitimate specimen of this incredibly rare item to appear on eBay?? Seems more the sort of thing a serious, specialist auction house would deal in.

[gregM]

Why would anyone think that the Kulm cross would be good when his

other 1813s are pure crap. I don't have any knowledge of pole tops

but I have my doubts about them as well. There have been WAY too

many of them on ebay lately.

[joe campbell]

it is my understanding that there was, in fact,

a distinction between the Kulm kreuz an officer would wear

and that of an EM, and that there were those who had them

"made up" (jeweler's copy?) because of the relatively

poor quality of the "issue piece".

i will review what info i have and expand as time permits.

joe

Edited June 23, 2007 by joe campbell

[gregM]

One of our members here has a very nice jeweller made silver Kulm cross.

Maybe he could be post a picture or two.

Edited June 23, 2007 by gregM