looking for pictures

[David M]

Hi guys!!

I am looking for portraits of some officers who all made at least GM rankin the prussian army. I do already have the necessary careerdata

Eberhard von Claer

Wilhelm von Kienitz

Adolf von Herzberg

Eduard von Becker

Thanks in advance

David M

[KIR]

Hi David,

here is a picture from "Eberhard von CLAER, GdI, 1856-1945":

http://www.deutsche-kriegsgeschichte.de/claer.html

I hope that's the person you are looking for, 'cause you wrote "Eduard"!?!

Best regards

Jens

[David M]

So his actuall rank was GdP and not GdI?

[KIR]

... that's all I found ("puis" = "after that"):

07 Generalmajor puis 10 Generalleutnant puis 14 General der Infanterie, Eberhard von Claer (1856-1945) (+ 2 GM): Croix de l'Ordre "Pour le M?rite" (29/06/15), General der Pioniere bei der O.H.L. (-25/08/14), puis commandant du 24 corps de r?serve (I) (25/08/14-12/09/14), puis commandant du 7 corps d'arm?e (II) (12/09/14-29/06/15), puis General der Pioniere bei der O.H.L. (29/06/15-11/11/18) (03/07/16 en retraite et colonel honoraire du 5 r?giment de grenadiers de la Garde). [Avant la guerre: 11 brigade d'infanterie (02/07-03/10), 22 division d'infanterie (03/10-06/11), 11 division d'infanterie (06/11-04/13), General der Pioniere bei der O.H.L. (04/13-).]

http://web.genealogie.free.fr/Les_militair...e/General/C.htm

http://www.lexikon-deutschegenerale.de/c_pr.html

Best regards Jens

Edited September 12, 2007 by KIR

[bob lembke]

I am running on memory here, but isn't it true that when a Pionier=Offizier was promoted from Leutnantgeneral to General, he was made "General der Infanterie", not "General der Pioniere"?

Bob Lembke

[bob lembke]

Two examples to test this on would be General von Beseler {my grand-father's boss) and General von Mudra, both distinguished Pionier=Offiziere.

Bob Lembke

[Glenn J]

Bob,

that is correct. There were no Gener?le der Pioniere in Imperial times. The rank of General der Pionier was introduced by an order dated 29 October 1935 (effective 1 November 1935).

Regards

Glenn

[speedytop]

Hi,

please differentiate between the rank (General der Infanterie) and the function, the official position (General der Pioniere).

Is "Kom. General des XXIV.Reservekorps" or "Kom. General des VII.Armeekorps" a rank?

http://www.deutsche-kriegsgeschichte.de/claer.html

Regards

Uwe

[Glenn J]

Hi Uwe,

in the case of Claer:

General der Infanterie = Rank/Dienstgrad

Generale der Pionere = Appointment/Dienststellung.

Regards

Glenn

[speedytop]

Hi Glenn,

yes.

And he was in 1914 General der Pioniere too, but with the rank Generalleutnant.

Correct appointment:

Chef des Ingenieur- und Pionierkorps und Generalinspekteur der Festungen.

Regards

Uwe

[bob lembke]

Hi Glenn,

yes.

And he was in 1914 General der Pioniere too, but with the rank Generalleutnant.

Correct appointment:

Chef des Ingenieur- und Pionierkorps und Generalinspekteur der Festungen.

Regards

Uwe

I think that von Beseler had the same position some years before. Quite a figure. I have a picture of his Generalkommando showing off their new decorations for taking Antwerp on the steps of the City Hall of Ghent, grand-pop and about 17 others the EK II and EK I, I think; von Beseler his pour le Merite.

Bob Lembke

[speedytop]

Hi Bob,

it is correct for von Beseler (1904), von Mudra (1911) and von Claer (1913):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenieurkorps

Regards

Uwe