Luftwaffe Unmarked Pilot Badge - Assumed to be Deumer

[Richard Gordon]

You're probably familiar with this pilot badge I'm about to show. It has been identified a a Deumer piece yet it's never found with the maker mark. SO, I dug out some Deumer marked badges and made comparisons. My comparisons are all fully marked Deumer badges:

Pilot Bagde

FJ Badge

RO/AG Badge

Observer Badge

First up. let's take a look at this unmarked pilot badge:

[Richard Gordon]

Look a lot like the early slim Juncker but yet not. Similar in design but clearly not the same.

This example is very slim!

[Richard Gordon]

Finally catch and hinge. This is where the association with Deumer comes from.

Compare these with the examples from the marked Deumers in the following 2 posts.

[Richard Gordon]

Note the shape of the catch and the finishing to the tip of the needle... Also typical trait of Deumer is the gouged-out portion at the centre of the hinge...

Here are the comparison's to marked Deumers:

First, catch:

[Richard Gordon]

Next comparison to hinge. Notice the dimensions remain more or less the same for all these badges:

[Richard Gordon]

That's everything presented. Do you think this early pilot badge is a Deumer?

Does anyone have an early Deumer sales catalogue showing luftwaffe awards?

Rich

[J Temple-West]

Excellent comparison shots, Rich.

The consensus seems to be that these early badges are indeed by ?W.Deumer? and the characteristics certainly point in that direction.

Links to earlier threads on the subject.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2246

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5859

Btw, your list is incomplete.

The Pilot/Observer.

[J Temple-West]

Reverse

And to answer your question: I have no doubt that these early pieces are by ?Deumer?

[Richard Gordon]

Thanks J!

That P/O that I'm missing... I'm not going to find it in the mail, say sometime next week by any chance?

I think perhaps you've there one of the rarest P/O badges from the entire TR series. Wow! But hey, with you I really shouldn't surprised!

Rich

[J Temple-West]

Rich....If only I had your address

As well as the obvious use of nickel silver (eagle) and brass (wreath) in the production of the P/O, close-ups of three different PB?s, show that ?Deumer? experimented with a few metal mixes in an attempt to get it stable for the dies.

As with the P/O...Nickel silver.

[J Temple-West]

Nickel silver plated ?Tombak? with a high copper content.

[J Temple-West]

And showing through the nickel silver plating on this one? the golden hue of the ?Tombak? mix favoured by most makers of early badges.