Daniel Murphy Posted January 27, 2006 Posted January 27, 2006 (edited) Tim, Thank you very much. I bought it as original but not at any fantastic price ( I can't remember but it wasn't really high) and had always wondered. I agree that it is not officer grade and probably an issue one due to it being made from such thin brass. I have had it about 7-8 years and if they had been faking them, I would think some would have come to light by now. Dan Murphy Edited January 27, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
Stogieman Posted January 27, 2006 Posted January 27, 2006 I would agree, certainly not something that was tooled-up for a one-of...
gor Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I think it will be interesting for all and may be smb help me with translation of paper.
Chip Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I suppose that this is a civilian pilot's badge? Notice that the "TC" on the cartouche of the badge is the same as that at the top of the document and the picture of the badge on the document. No military motifs on the document either. Very interesting.Chip
Luftmensch Posted February 26, 2006 Author Posted February 26, 2006 Most interesting...your inestimable opinion, Tim?
Tim Tezer Posted February 27, 2006 Posted February 27, 2006 This thread has produced a lot of fascinating stuff for me, especially as I never spent much time studying Turkish Republic badges. This is clearly modeled after a WW1 pilot's badge, and the inscription at the top of the badge where the tughra would have been says "TC (Turkish Republic) - In memory of 10 years". Taken by itself, I would have thought the badge was simply a one-off, but the document tells a much bigger story. The document is a graduation diploma from the Eskişehir aviation school. What they have done in this case is scratch out the usual wording and written in that this is a special award in recognition of 10 years' service, to a "Tecnik?i" or technician, who probably was an employee of the aviation school. That confirms that the badge is probably one of a kind.But that's not all! The badge depicted on the diploma is - one would presume - something that was awarded to graduates of the aviation school. Obviously it is also modeled after the Ottoman pilot's badge, but with the foundation date of the empire removed, and the "TC" or Turkish Republic cypher added at the top. This confirms that such badges were used by the Republic after 1928. So the badge that Steve French sent me photos of (which I posted on this thread back in January) probably was a transitional Turkish Republic pilot badge dating from some time between the establishment of the Republic in 1923 and the change to Latin writing at the end of 1928. Tim
Tosun Saral Posted November 3, 2006 Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) Here is the exact translation :Pilotluk derecesi/piloting degree: -Rasitlik derecesi/aviation degree:-Teknik derecesi/ytechnical degree: 1Diplom No: 1270A Diplom to a flyer graduated from school of AviationName: KofThis diplom is presented for the 10th Anniversary of Turkish Republic.Issued in Eskisehir.Nota: This is not a military diplom. A tecnicer diplom of Turkish Aviation Assosiation widely known as Turk Kusu. (Turkish Bird) Photo of Turkish war pilot of Gallipol, Lt. Cemal Durusoy 19142nd image: Lt. Ali Riza Bey War pilot of gallipoliOn 20th November 1915 Lt. Ali Riza and 2nd Lt. Ibrahim Orhan (flying an Albatros C1) shot down a French plane over Kabatepe during the battles of Gallipoli. This is the first time in history that a plane is shot down by another plane. Let me give you some information about Ibrahim Orhan Bey. Galatasaray is familiar to all with the football club rather than the Lycee/Highschool in Istanbul. Galatasaray Football Team won the European Championship 3 years ago. On the other hand during the WW1 many students or graduants of the Lyceum didn't hesitate to join the army as reserve officers. Many of them killed in various fronts. Ibrahim Orhan Bey graduated in 1912. He was the grandchild of Sadullah Pasha and son of Dr. Sadik Bey. He volunterede to Turkish Air Force and became a war pilot. During the flights over Gelibolu he was wounded 2 times. In 1916 his plane crusted to sea near the island Semadirek. He is the first Turkish airman who killed in action. May Allah keep him in his paradise. Allah rahmet eylesin! Dilerim ki oyle olsun! Please note that there is no history without Turks. Edited November 3, 2006 by Tosun Saral
VtwinVince Posted November 15, 2006 Posted November 15, 2006 Tim, doesn't the Steve French badge have the same maker mark as the badge posted by Gor?
Tim Tezer Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Tim, doesn't the Steve French badge have the same maker mark as the badge posted by Gor?Very observant! Yes, it does appear that the little "E" (or whatever it is) is a maker's mark, and both of these transitional post-WW1 badges have the same maker! Cool!Tim
demir Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) I don't know where I copied this picture of a pilot but he has the Turkish War Medal, pilot badge, pilot insignia, a bar and belt buckle. Demir Edited September 13, 2010 by demir
demir Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Hi, May I ask a favour gentlemen? Will you please post the early pictures which are missing now, again. I know it is a burden but, please! Best wishes Demir
jaba1914 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) I want to post this vary nice picture of an unknown ottoman officer with pilot badge. This picture was taken in germany at the RFA 501 (giant plane unit). Regards Alex Edited August 3, 2013 by jaba1914
demir Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Pilots: 1. Major Erich Serno 2. Captain Oswald Boelcke, Liman von Sanders and Captain Buddecke 3. Pilot Fuat Çakar
jaba1914 Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Here my contribution. Maybe someone can identify the clasp on the ribbon for the TWM. Regards Alex Edited June 22, 2014 by jaba1914
demir Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Hi, Nice picture. The clasp is IRAK but it was attached wrong. It has to be reversed. Like this:
jaba1914 Posted September 13, 2014 Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Another picture of an german (saxon) officer with the ottoman aviation badge. Taken 1918 at FEA 4. Regards Alex Edited September 13, 2014 by jaba1914
jaba1914 Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 This nice german made ottoman pilot badge comes from the estate of an known german pilot who served in the ottoman air service during the war. I love this badge, one of few I ever seen.RegardsAlex
Claudius Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 Great looking badge!Is that the same type of badge as shown on the photo in your post from August 3, 2013? (I am not implying that this is his badge, but it looks like the same manufacturing style.)
jaba1914 Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 Correct, it is the same badge but from another guy. It is from an german manufacturer.The owner was later pilot with Jasta 22, 6 and 48. Really nice group. Regards Alex
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