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gentlemen, today I have a very interesting but confusing medal bar for you - unfortunately not on my desk, only the photo of the wearer.....

look at this mounting precedence with only 2 prussian awards first (EK2 and Centenarmedal), then a saxon war aid cross followed by a Baden Z?hringer Lion with oakleaves but WITHOUT swords!!! After that a W?rtemberger, a Braunschweiger, Hamburg and Austria...last but not least a turkish Liakat that is added to the bar!!!

So, in service 1897 but no long service yet...... a confusing mix of peacetime awards, non-combattant awards and combattant awards....

Please give me your comments on the bar, on the mounting of the awards and maybe you have a name for me...?! :rolleyes:

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Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS? :rolleyes:

Major in the Kriegsministerium or General Staff. Maybe from this combination in the Wumba or something like that?

Combat awards from Prussia and Brunswick (spectrum shift on the colors, I think-- remmeber dark blue and yellow reverse darkness in these old photos); weird Saxon and W?rttemberg war effort awards...

maybe Daniel can ID him from the WilhelmskreuzX and the pre-war BZ3bE.

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and on the reverse of his photos is............................................................his name :jumping:

.............. but I can`t read it 100%

his first name is Fritz............but his family name????

any specialists in reading our grand-grand-grandfathers writing out there???

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gentlemen, today I have a very interesting but confusing medal bar for you - unfortunately not on my desk, only the photo of the wearer.....

look at this mounting precedence with only 2 prussian awards first (EK2 and Centenarmedal), then a saxon war aid cross followed by a Baden Z?hringer Lion with oakleaves but WITHOUT swords!!! After that a W?rtemberger, a Braunschweiger, Hamburg and Austria...last but not least a turkish Liakat that is added to the bar!!!

So, in service 1897 but no long service yet...... a confusing mix of peacetime awards, non-combattant awards and combattant awards....

Please give me your comments on the bar, on the mounting of the awards and maybe you have a name for me...?! :rolleyes:

Interesting to finally see a Staff Officer wearng the Saxon War Effort. This reminds me of my Bar that I think to be a Staff Officer's ribbon bar for a Major.

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"grand-grand-grandfathers writing"

ahhhhhhhh, I learned that as a baaaaaaaaaby! :(:shame:

HERTZER

SekLt 20.5.93

Oberlt ernannt 23.3.01 in 1902 from Fortifikation Cuxhaven to the War Academy, final seniority 12.9.02 W3w

teacher at Kriegsschule Hersfeld in 1907 mdU PB 15

Hptm 20.4.10 Zz PB 14

in 1914 at the Kriegsministerium (am I good, or what? :rolleyes: ) Ingenieur-und- Pioniere Abtelung (A6)

Major 18.4.15 Z2z

charakterisiert Oberstleutnant aD

Daniel will be VERY happy to see this one.

His medal bar looks fine to my OLD eye.

How about my Man Of Mystery:

a Major zD, probably. Nooooooooooooooooooo name.

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Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS? :rolleyes:

Major in the Kriegsministerium or General Staff. Maybe from this combination in the Wumba or something like that?

Combat awards from Prussia and Brunswick (spectrum shift on the colors, I think-- remmeber dark blue and yellow reverse darkness in these old photos); weird Saxon and W?rttemberg war effort awards...

maybe Daniel can ID him from the WilhelmskreuzX and the pre-war BZ3bE.

In B&W photos can't tell Kriegsministerium from General Staff? I think the only difference is farben color. Am I correct or way off? I'd like to own a photo like the one is this thread. I have tow Staff major's tunics and am always looking for photos to look at uniform detail.

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Hi Friends,

niiiiice photograph and even nicer that he put his name on the back.

I did already some research but did not come closer than to about 10 possible people.

Medal bar screams to be War ministry.

That "V"-shaped Litzen are definetly "Intelligenzlitzen", means Engineer troops, no General staff or War ministry.

His W?rttemberg Wilhelmscross was not published in their Personalnachrichten.

Best regards

Daniel

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That "V"-shaped Litzen are definetly "Intelligenzlitzen", means Engineer troops, no General staff or War ministry.

I'm probably wrong (I usually am), but I thought the General Staff and War Ministry wear the exact same litzen only in gold and Pioneers wore them in silver. A Pioneer officer would have black waffenfarbe and this appears to be a lighter color, indicating one of the staff positions. :unsure:

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