wlodzimierz Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Gentlemen,very interesting and very old Badge given to Yugoslavian Participants of October Revolution 1917.Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This must be quite rare! I know that Tito took part in the Russian revolution. Is that Tito's badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi Bryan,this badge has touch of design from early soviet days. I like the art how numbers were made, particullary number 7.I hope so, that this is a Tito badge - but I don't think so. Any idea how many Yugoslav participated in October Revolution 1917?best regardswaldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Actually I was only joking about Tito. I can't see that serial number though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I have never seen this badge.Where did you get the information that this is a badge for Yugoslav participants in October revolution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Lieber Waldemar,that's really a beautiful item, I have never seen before .It has the typical style of the very early Soviet badges .Any mint marks at the rv. ?Dimensions ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 I was told that it is very rare badge, in order to be sure I sent it's image to www.singidunum-online.com and they confirmed it. I didn't ask him, based on which materials he has identified this badge.You can probably no see it, but this badge had once gold color. waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Lieber Christian,The Badge had once gold color (gilded?), it is 4cm width and 4cm high. There is no mint mark on the badge. I couldn't find one. Liebe Gr?sse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Could be a badge that was given to participants in October revolution (not my area of collecting). You should check with collectors of Soviet orders and medals. There probably were some citizens of Yugoslavia that took part in October revolution, so there is a possibility that it was given to citizens of Yugoslavia.But I am not shure that it was given exclusively to citizens of Yugoslavia.Do you have any documents with it ?Please post if you find out anything more. I would like to learn more about this badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hi SasaYU,thank you for good questions. I posted this badge in soviet forum, maybe they have more information.Unfortunatly I have no documents to this badge.Lets see what soviet experts tell us about this badge.best regardswaldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I don't think this is Soviet, I have never seen any such badge and, in fact, nothing was ever issued formally to recognise the Revolution. Someplace (one of those auction catalogues?) I recall seeing this badge with this ID, but who knows. A lovely and potentially very important thing, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think it is not Soviet made badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Gentelmen,I asked some experts for their opinion about this badge. Today I got an email from Mr. Ranko Mandic who send me following opinion:'Regarding rare badge for the Yugoslav participants in the October Revolution: There are none of the written sources about it, just some unofficial opinions. After my small investigation, I would accept the following opinion:According to the style, especially reverse, it definitely seems that it was made by IKOM - Zagreb, not in Moscow. Time of issue would be just after the war, in 1947, on the occasion of the 30th Anniversary of the October Revolution. Therefore it is so rare, and the story about its distribution to the "still alive" Yugoslav participants of that revolution is widely accepted.'waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Quite interesting! So it's a 30 years jubilee badge. Thank you for the information Waldemar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Bryan,the story of this badge is not yet discovered. If it is anniversary badge and grandvater of member of our forum Jakov was participant of Oct. Revolution 1917 than he should be awarded with this badge as well. He got anniversary medal in 1967. But Jakov doesn't know this badge.Ranko has made his best guess but he is not sure.Maybe, after he will find documents concerning awarding with anniversary medal we will lern more. waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gentlemen,last our information was that this badge was made by IKOM and was awarded to Yugoslavian Participants of 1917 October Revolution."...Time of issue would be just after the war, in 1947, on the occasion of the 30th Anniversary of the October Revolution.".What was disturbing in this hypothesis is lack of year 1947 on the badge, usually in commemorate OMDs you will see two dates: the date of event and another date or number what is the time past from that event or years passt. On this badge there is only one date 1917, I my opinion it can not be commemorative badge. To undermine my position I'm posting a real Yugoslavian Badge issued in 1947 to commemorate the 30th Anniversary of the Soviet October Revolution. As you can see red enameled flag with small 5-pointed golden star and sickle and hammer, a laurel branch and inscription "1947 - 30 Years of the Country of Socialism.". I'm convinced that this badge was issued to commemorate the 30th Anniversary of the Soviet October Revolution.The main questions concerning the badge with year 1917 are the same: who issued this badge, who got it, what was the purpose, when and how many such badges were issued?As we know during the October Revolution 1917 there was Yugoslavian organisation within soviet communist party, this members like Comrade Walter fought in October Revolution. I think that this badge is somehow connected to those events and time.I'm not convinced that this is Yugoslavian production, it has design of early soviet badges.I don't know who issued this badge but it was definitly not the badge struck in 1947 to commemorate the 30th Anniversary of the Soviet October Revolution.What is your opinion? waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Waldemar!Why do you think that this badge is soviet made?I don't see signs of that!And how can badge with date presenced by you now influence to the date of issue of the 1917 badge?Who knows how many badges were issued in 1947? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think that commemorative badge refers from time perspective to particular event in the history. Thus two facts must be fulfilled: Originated event: in this case Soviet October Revolution 1917 Time perspective: normaly you will see xx years of ?, or time interval 1917 ? 1947. In both cases is clear we are referring to xxx event from yyy time perspective. The second point is not fulfilled it means that there is no time perspective and therefore I think that this is not commemorative badge. You can tell me look at ?Partisanska Spomenica? there is too only one date: 1941. But this is not the same case. ?Partisanska spomenica? founded in 1941 was instituted as official award of very high rank with privileges comparable (the same) as bearer of Order of National Hero. ?Partisanska Spomenica? was not designed as commemorative badge, it becomes one after 1946.In my opinion this badge is definitively not commemorative badge, it was maybe was an order similar to ?Partisanska Spomenica?, but not commemorative badge. Thank you Anatoly for comments. waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 May be not commemorative badge ...May be badge on an accessory to a communists...May be badge for group of people somehow connected with the USSR...Nice badge anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) Gentlemen,if you look at revers you will find that this badge was gilded, in some parts you can see it.Interesting is that this badge has design very similiar to those of Order of Partisan Star 1st or cl.There are the same symbols: red star placed on gilded laurel wreath. The differences are: sickle and hammer and the date 1917. The sickle and hammer was not common in YU OMDs only order of labor but only 2nd and 3rd class have sickle and hammer on it. Medals for Labor has sickle and hammer and the last one is medal for military merits where on some medals sickle and hammer is wrongly placed on banner.The lack of year 1917 is clear.I think that at least some of participants of Meeting in Jajce on 29/30 November 1942 (Tito and most important people of that time), where the design for Order of Partisan Star was made, the design of this 1917 badge was known.compare yourself: Edited May 25, 2008 by wlodzimierz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 By the way, wich size of this badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 Size: 4cm width and 4cm high. waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Here is another 1947 badge that was for sale about a year ago on eBay. Unfortunately I was outbid on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Here is another 1947 badge that was for sale about a year ago on eBay. Unfortunately I was outbid on it. Lol. How much did it cost. Had a chance to buy one but didn't. Maybe I will now. I thought it's not so beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 How much did it cost.I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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