Glenn J Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 On my latest trip to Berlin I came across an interesting find: An original type-written 5 volume Luftwaffe Rangliste effective as at 1 August 1944. As I only have with me the Oberleutnants and Leutnants volumes (one volume each) and the master index, I am unclear at the moment whether it contains all "combatant" branches or just Flying and Signals troops. Certainly in the case of the Leutnants all first names and dates of birth are given and with the Oberleutnants some dates of birth. It is fully indexed - the fifth volume.RegardsGlennHere is a page of Oberleutnants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 And a page of Leutnants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 HOLY GRAIL ALERT !!!HOLY GRAIL ALERT !!!HOLY GRAIL ALERT !!!HOLY GRAIL ALERT !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Now, if I can get my pulse regulated again:Aside from the Generals, whose biographies are total and complete, and the long ago published February 1945 Hauptleute up ONLY flying and staff (birthdates on about 1 in 20)there is NOTHING"out there" on Luftwaffe officers.ZERO.Period references to a never published, classified 1942 "everybody" Seniority List are the only tantalizing clue we ever had in my entire collecting lifetime (more than 40 years) that there ever WERE Luftwaffe Rank Lists.This 1944 is completely Out Of The Blue. The detail here is unhoped for:1st namesdates of birthhand-added promotion updatesprisoner of war status (note one POW "French prisoner" and one "American prisoner" both in 1943)and great big "dead" stamps.For the first time EVER, it will now be possible to have significant data on the Luftwaffe officer corps. Perhaps "best" of all-- it is already INDEXED-- so no need for months of laboriously RETYPING to make it usable.PLEASE copy all these and make them available on CDs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Oh My GOD!!! Glennhas done it again!!What's next-a complete Blood Order ranklist?You are amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 I am unclear at the moment whether it contains all "combatant" branches or just Flying and Signals troopsScratch my last. It obviously does contain Flak Officers. It also appears to run to 1945 promotions.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 PLEASE copy all these and make them available on CDs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW!Sign me up - I want one!Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 me too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 UNITS !!!!Collecting Miracle!I have been waiting--hoping--for this for 30 years!Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Hello!FANTASTIC FIND,CONGRATULATION. All the bestNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 This is one of the great research finds of the last 50 years! I hope you will be in a position to share this with the collecting community through the sale of CDs. There are a lot of people (myself included!) who would love to buy a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 This is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Actually, I always suspected this. There simply MUST have been some sort of list, somewhere on this planet, for G?ring and his chaps to keep an overview of the organisation they were running. Historians probably were - up to now - too incompetent to find it. But our very own Glenn has done it!!! (And I want one, too!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Move over Indiana Jones! Glenn is just the best Grail Finder there is. What is really rather alarming is that this obviously Top Secret list remained in MANUSCRIPT form. It was never PRINTED even then. Somebody typed it up and hand-added amendments to it.What Glenn has found is very likely the only copy that EVER existed !!!After 70 years of a TOTAL void of information about 1/3 of the German armed forces, Luftwaffe officer research-- impossible in the Time Before Glenn-- is now do-able! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Nice find. - allright that might be a bit of an understatement - add me to the list of interested buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 It's got almost exactly the same form as the published 1945 RL for active flying personnel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 It's got almost exactly the same form as the published 1945 RL for active flying personnel:Chris,can you please confirm that the published list (by Absolon) is Teil A1? The list(s) I have appear to be Teil A2. I am not sure of the significance yet of the difference between A1 and A2, although I believe these all to be active officers.ThanksRegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yes, it is A1. It says active officers of flying, flak and signals. I failed however to make a copy of the introduction which says that mainly flak officers (and others) are not in the A1 list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yes, it is A1. It says active officers of flying, flak and signals. I failed however to make a copy of the introduction which says that mainly flak officers (and others) are not in the A1 list.Thanks Chris,at the moment I have only the Oberleutnant and Leutnant volumes of List A2 plus the index with me. According to the index, List A2 also contains Field officers (Stabsoffiziere) and Hauptleute. I will have to wait until I look again at the first two volumes to see if I can find out the difference between Lists A1 and A2.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The explanation is somewhere in the introduction to A1. I remember that Rick once mailed me that the Dienstaltersliste A1 lists only front officers, not home service, not technical, not ordnance, not medical, not engineering, no Beamten "soweit sie zum fliegenden bzw. springenden Personal geh?rten." Which apparently means that even flying personnel which were (E) etc. were usually not shown unless i.G. or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hello, That is one hell of a find for certain Are there any glider units listed? for example the Luftlande Geschwader 1 (L.L.G.1), etc .... Codial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 That is one heck of a find!! I would most definitely be interested in a finished item as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) I'm still unclear about the exact difference between the A1 and A2 lists, so I have scanned the entire introduction to the published Luftwaffe 1945 ranklist, which seems (?) to explain the difference: Edited February 7, 2008 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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