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I think, that it is the best film about war in Russia.http://intv.ru/view/?film_id=5398&playNow=1

Dear Sergey,

dear Marc,

is there a chance to see that movie with English or German subtitles :unsure: ?

What's the name of that film :unsure: ?

I always thought, that Освобождение (439 minutes :D ) is the best film about the GPW:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=233039

Best regards :beer:

Christian

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What's the name of that film :unsure: ?

That's Idi i Smotri, or Come and See:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0091251/

In my opinion, this was the worst movie I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot. The first 1,5 hour was a collection of incoherent scenes with irritating background noise. The actors were very inveracious and the forest scene with the laughing and crying was simply annoying, as were the long close-ups of Florya's face. After that it's just about portraying the Germans as badly as possible. Gripping, but I won't recommend it to anyone.

It's interesting to see that people rate this movie either excellent or terrible.

Auke

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That's Idi i Smotri, or Come and See:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0091251/

In my opinion, this was the worst movie I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot. The first 1,5 hour was a collection of incoherent scenes with irritating background noise. The actors were very inveracious and the forest scene with the laughing and crying was simply annoying, as were the long close-ups of Florya's face. After that it's just about portraying the Germans as badly as possible. Gripping, but I won't recommend it to anyone.

It's interesting to see that people rate this movie either excellent or terrible.

Auke

Good afternoon,

I think it is necessary to be Russian what to understand this film. I often go to places of fighting collisions near to the city of Rzhev. I often speak with people knowing war.

You know I always is surprised to flowers and apple-trees growing and blossoming on a place where there were villages burned down in war.Such burned down dead villages only in one small Rzhev area it is possible to count more than 300.And you speak they laugh loudly.I think it not hatred to Germans.For me a word Germany and Germans this memoirs on wonderful days of a youth in institute and the wonderful girl with name Uta from GDR.However I think, that in 1943 was so. However this my opinion.Probably there is also other opinion

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Dear Auke,

dear Sergey,

many thanks for the information - "Come and See" :jumping: .

ICESTORM - as usually ;) - distributes a copy with German subtitles:

http://www.icestorm.de/?option=com_shop&am...=47&id=1266

Well, I am not so sure, that I will get that great fan of Elem Klimov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elem_Klimov ;) . I really love the movies of the Mikhalkov brothers, specially from the outstanding Nikita:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Mikhalkov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Konchalovsky

Nikita Mikalkov's Утомлённые солнцем (Burnt by the Sun) is my absolute favorite movie.

Their father, Sergey Mikhalkov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Mikhalkov , HSL + 3x Stalin-Prize-Winner, 95 years old, is of course also an outstanding artistic personality :jumping: .

I will order "Come and See" as a DVD :D .

Best regards :beer:

Christian

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Yes I as love Mikhalkov's old films. Station for a two, Native people. However I think, that today it suffers mania superrushens. To me it is difficult to tell in English.It learns Russian to be Russian. It has dressed a mask of the old Russian doctor. It it is quiet on a stage of a cinema has kicked in a stomach of the boy thrown in it a rotten egg.

Here, but in Russian write about Nikita http://eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=69&amp...46&Page=540

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Dear Sergey,

why not the newer ones of Mikhalkov :unsure: ?

That's the official website of Nikita Mikhalkov (Russian language only :( ): http://www.trite.ru/mikhalkov.mhtml?PubID=12 .

That's one of my favorite photographs, showing Nikita with his daughter Nadezhda Mikhalkova (who played a leading role in that movie!) after winning the OSCAR for "Burnt by the Sun" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_by_the_Sun :

That outstanding movie about a summer day in the life of the Civil-War-General Kotov (3x RB) in the year 1936 in the Soviet Union won also the Grand Prix du Jury at Cannes Film Festival 1994 and numerous other international film awards. Well, it's quite rare, that a movie wins the OSCAR and Cannes :D .

Best regards :beer:

Christian

Yes I as love Mikhalkov's old films. Station for a two, Native people. However I think, that today it suffers mania superrushens. To me it is difficult to tell in English.It learns Russian to be Russian. It has dressed a mask of the old Russian doctor. It it is quiet on a stage of a cinema has kicked in a stomach of the boy thrown in it a rotten egg.

Here, but in Russian write about Nikita <a href="http://eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=69&PubID=2846&Page=540" target="_blank">http://eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=69&...46&Page=540</a>

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Dear Christian,

I do not wish to argue with you. It is pleasant to me to know, that you like Russian cinema. I Russian and am always good, when to people in the Europe like our cinema. Twenty years ago I was in delight from Mikhalkov's cinema. But will agree to eat that that strange when this family is favourite by Authority. There is no difference Stalin, Brezhnev, Yeltsin, Putin. But this my personal opinion.

And as to you this film.I do not know as it refers to in German or English language. On the rushen-СВОИ.

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Dear Sergey,

many thanks for the informations about the movie "Svoi" ("Our Own") :cheers: .

Sounds very interesting and their should be also a German language version, but I could hardly find any informations in internet :( . Do you have some links :unsure: ?

this family is favourite by Authority. There is no difference Stalin, Brezhnev, Yeltsin, Putin. But this my personal opinion.

That's true: The (aristocratic ;) ) Mikhalkov-family was highly respected by Stalin, Brezhnev, Yeltsin and Putin. Two hours ago I watched in Austrian TV Nikita Mikhalkov and Vladimir Putin at a dinner in Mikhalkov's home drinking vodka & kissing :P .

What's wrong with the relationship of artists to state authorities - as long as the artistic quality remains on supreme level :unsure: ?

Dmitri Shostakovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Dmitri...ch_Shostakovich was also a HSL and won even more Stalin-Prizes, than Nikita's father. But did he compose bad music :rolleyes: .

Best regards :beer:

Christian

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Come and See is a superb film.

I think that too many people watch it hoping to see a 'war film' like Platoon or Private Ryan.

This is a durty, nasty film, and very disturbing. As for portraying the Germans as badly as possible, I don't agree. The film holds back at times, and the Russian collabortors are also shown, and not discreetly erased from history.

The scene wher Florya returns to his native village (with all the flies) is powerful and very un-Hollywood, the glimpse of the heaped bosdies is so much more powerful than a slow pan, or series of close ups.

It's not a film I'll watch for entertainment, but I don't think that was the point of the film. It's meant to be brutal and disturbing.

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Hello Paul,

I wonder if that guy survived the blast at the four minute mark on the youtube video. :speechless1:

thanks,

barry

I noticed that as well!! I cannot image a real person walking immediately after landing on his neck like that!!

Has anyone seen Штрафной батальон before? What are the reviews like?

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Come and See is a superb film.

I think that too many people watch it hoping to see a 'war film' like Platoon or Private Ryan.

This is a durty, nasty film, and very disturbing. As for portraying the Germans as badly as possible, I don't agree. The film holds back at times, and the Russian collabortors are also shown, and not discreetly erased from history.

The scene wher Florya returns to his native village (with all the flies) is powerful and very un-Hollywood, the glimpse of the heaped bosdies is so much more powerful than a slow pan, or series of close ups.

It's not a film I'll watch for entertainment, but I don't think that was the point of the film. It's meant to be brutal and disturbing.

Russian films about war differ from films Hollywood. However in my opinion the Platoon is world classics. Private Ryan seems to me very weak film. Tell your opinion on the Soviet film Alive and Dead. This film under Konstantin Simonov book Alive and Dead (Живые и Мертвые). The book tells about the first months of war on east front.Simonov the participant tragical events of 1941.

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Sergey, have you seen the film 'Immortal Garrison' about the battle of Brest Fortress?

(and is it available on DVD?)

Yes ,this film I looked still the child. I am surprised You so well know the Soviet cinema. Today You have reminded me episodes of the childhood. This film often showed in the middle of the sixtieth years in day of the beginning of war.(22.06.).I wished to find this film in Russian Internet. But on sites known to me it is not present.Surprisingly as it is fast in Russia is lost interest to the last years .Tomorrow I shall call in Mosfilm and I learn presence DVD.It is interesting to me as You have met this film.

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The most "recent" Soviet war films I have ever seen were

Sergei Eisenstein's "Battleship Potemkin" and "Aleksandr Nevsky!" :speechless1::speechless1:

(No, NOT when they were new releases!!!! :speechless1::cheeky: )

Hollywood STILL rips off "Potemkin" cinematography. :rolleyes:

The same is not bad.

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That's Idi i Smotri, or Come and See:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0091251/

In my opinion, this was the worst movie I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot. The first 1,5 hour was a collection of incoherent scenes with irritating background noise. The actors were very inveracious and the forest scene with the laughing and crying was simply annoying, as were the long close-ups of Florya's face. After that it's just about portraying the Germans as badly as possible. Gripping, but I won't recommend it to anyone.

It's interesting to see that people rate this movie either excellent or terrible.

Auke

Hi,

For our french Members, the film exists in French version, under the title : "Requiem pour un massacre".

I have bought it in the version below; but not got yet time to see it... :

http://www.potemkine.fr/catalogue_RM.php

In this edition, it include interviews by the film maker and the main actor.

Cheers.

Ch.

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Gentlemen,

A great thread, very informative. Personally, I can not express an opinion on ?Come and See? in terms of being a good or bad film. I can only say that it is one of the most disturbing films I have ever seen.

I was glad to see ?Burnt by the Sun? mentioned. This is a really good one. I would like to recommend ?The Inner Circle? which is a true story based upon the experiences of Stalin?s movie projectionist. Bob Hoskins? portrayal of Beria, alone, is worth the price of admission.

Another worth mention is Ballad of a Soldier? which I think holds an unusual distinction. This film was released in 1959 at the height, or depth, of the Cold War. It?s acceptance and acclaim in the west, particularly the USA, was astounding (and very politically incorrect). Another one from that era which I remember (God, it?s been fifty years!!) as being quite good is ?The Cranes are Flying?. Neither of these are the usual slam/bang war film, but have considerable merit - both won numerous awards.

Grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy a good movie during one of these long cold winter nights! :beer:

Best wishes,

Wild Card

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