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I bought some months ago this set. The man seems a Zouave and the medals Medaille militaire and Croix de guerre (1914-18), dated the set in the WWI, not any inscriptipn on the photo rear except "carte postale"... but where are the zouve regiments, and what are their numbers??, Any help will be wellcomed!!

Thanks a lot :cheers:

Miguel

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I bought some months ago this set. The man seems a Zouave and the medals Medaille militaire and Croix de guerre (1914-18), dated the set in the WWI, not any inscriptipn on the photo rear except "carte postale"... but where are the zouve regiments, and what are their numbers??, Any help will be wellcomed!!

Thanks a lot :cheers:

Miguel

There were four French Zouave Regiments at the outbreak of WWI, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Zouaves.

If that helps at all.

Regards Eddie

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Bonsoir Miguel,

Difficult to tell the regiments from that view : the regiments are indeed distinguished by the colour of the false pocket design within the braiding of their spencer :

1st: Red

2nd: White

3rd: Yellow

4th: Dark Blue

See some examples down this page :

http://www.military-photos.com/zouave2.htm

Actually with old orthochromatic photo processes, the only one that can really be told is the White of the 2nd Zouaves (Red, Yellow and Dark blue turning out amazingly alike).

I do share Chris's learnt opinion - looks like a KIA set.

Suerte !

Jerome

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Bonsoir Miguel,

Difficult to tell the regiments from that view : the regiments are indeed distinguished by the colour of the false pocket design within the braiding of their spencer :

1st: Red

2nd: White

3rd: Yellow

4th: Dark Blue

See some examples down this page :

<a href="http://www.military-photos.com/zouave2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.military-photos.com/zouave2.htm</a>

Actually with old orthochromatic photo processes, the only one that can really be told is the White of the 2nd Zouaves (Red, Yellow and Dark blue turning out amazingly alike).

I do share Chris's learnt opinion - looks like a KIA set.

Suerte !

Jerome

Thanks to all

Miguel

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There were four French Zouave Regiments at the outbreak of WWI, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Zouaves.

Hi Miguel and Eddie

It is not completely true. In 1914, the 8th and 9th Zouave regiment were assembled and joined the other four regiments.

At the end of the war, all those regiment were awarded with the L?gion d'honneur, except the 1st Regiment.

They were considered as an elite, with special traditions and uniforms... and deserved much respect considering their bravoure. The last Zouave Regiment desapeared last year. It was the 9th, which was a commando center in Givet in Northern France.

Yours

Bison

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Hi Miguel and Eddie

It is not completely true. In 1914, the 8th and 9th Zouave regiment were assembled and joined the other four regiments.

At the end of the war, all those regiment were awarded with the L?gion d'honneur, except the 1st Regiment.

They were considered as an elite, with special traditions and uniforms... and deserved much respect considering their bravoure. The last Zouave Regiment desapeared last year. It was the 9th, which was a commando center in Givet in Northern France.

Yours

Bison

Thanks Bison, sorry for the w&b photos...

Regards

Miguel

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Thanks Bison,

This is what I have on the numbers:

In 1899 the law of that year created for each regiment of Zouaves a 5th Battalion, "to be stationed in France" in groupes des 5e batallions de Zouaves. The 5th battalions of the 1st and 4th Zouaves were stationed as part of the Gouvernement militaire de Paris. The 5th battalions of the 2nd and 3rd Zouaves were stationed in the r?gion militaire de Lyon. Upon mobilization for war in France, these battalions would form the nucleus of R?giments de Marche de Zouaves , each of 3 battalions.

The four Zouave regiments of the French Army wore their traditional colorful dress during the early months of the First World War. The development of the machine gun, rapid fire artillery and improved small arms obliged them to adopt a plain khaki uniform from 1915 on.

The Zouaves played a major role in the 1914-18 War with their numbers being expanded to nine regiments de marche.

Regards Eddie

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3?me R?giment de Zouaves

Service and Battles

Date/Service

1852 - Organised and mustered in Philippeville, Algeria

1852 - 1854 Campaign in Algeria

1854 - 1855 Campaign in Russia (Crimean War)

1857 - Campaign against the Kabyles, Algeria

1859 - Campaign in Italy (Italian unification)

1860 - Algeria

1862 -1867 - Campaign in Mexico

1864 -1869 Algeria

1870 - 1871 Franco-Prussian War

1881 - Tunesia

1885 - 1886 Tonkin (Indochina)

1900 - China (Boxer uprising)

1908 - 1914 Morocco

1914 - 1918 - The Great War

1914 - Tracy-le-Val, France

1915 - Champagne, France

1916 - Verdun, France

1918 - Moreuil-Noyon, France

1940 -1945 - Second World War

1943 - Le Faid, Tunesia

1944 - 1945 - Europe

1945 - Germany

1956 1962 - Algeria (Algerian War)

1962 - Regiment disbanded

Awards

Date/Award

May 31, 1859 - M?daille d'Or de Milan

May 31, 1859 - M?daille d'Or al Valore Militaire

November 09, 1863 - Croix de la L?gion d'Honneur

1919 - Croix de la Guerre 1914-1918 with 6 Palmes 1919M?daille Italienne de la Valeur

1919 - M?daille Militaire

1945 - Croix de Guerre 1939-1945 with 2 Palmes

Colours

Date/Campaign

1854 - 1855 - Sevastopol, Crimea

1857 - Kabylen, Algeria

1859 - Palestro, Italy

1863 - San Lorenzo, Mexico

1908 - 1912 - Morocco

1915 - Champagne, France

1916 - Verdun, France

1918 - Moreuil-Noyon, France

1943 - Le Faid, France

1945 - Danube, Germany

Battle Order

Date/Order

1852 - 1914 - 3?me R?giment de Zouaves

1914 - 1943 - 3?me R?giment de Marche de Zouaves

1943 - 1949 - 3?me Batallion de Zouaves Port?s

1949 - 1962 - 3?me Batallion de Zouaves

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3?me R?giment de Zouaves

Service and Battles

Date/Service

1852 - Organised and mustered in Philippeville, Algeria

1852 - 1854 Campaign in Algeria

1854 - 1855 Campaign in Russia (Crimean War)

1857 - Campaign against the Kabyles, Algeria

1859 - Campaign in Italy (Italian unification)

1860 - Algeria

1862 -1867 - Campaign in Mexico

1864 -1869 Algeria

1870 - 1871 Franco-Prussian War

1881 - Tunesia

1885 - 1886 Tonkin (Indochina)

1900 - China (Boxer uprising)

1908 - 1914 Morocco

1914 - 1918 - The Great War

1914 - Tracy-le-Val, France

1915 - Champagne, France

1916 - Verdun, France

1918 - Moreuil-Noyon, France

1940 -1945 - Second World War

1943 - Le Faid, Tunesia

1944 - 1945 - Europe

1945 - Germany

1956 1962 - Algeria (Algerian War)

1962 - Regiment disbanded

Awards

Date/Award

May 31, 1859 - M?daille d'Or de Milan

May 31, 1859 - M?daille d'Or al Valore Militaire

November 09, 1863 - Croix de la L?gion d'Honneur

1919 - Croix de la Guerre 1914-1918 with 6 Palmes 1919M?daille Italienne de la Valeur

1919 - M?daille Militaire

1945 - Croix de Guerre 1939-1945 with 2 Palmes

Colours

Date/Campaign

1854 - 1855 - Sevastopol, Crimea

1857 - Kabylen, Algeria

1859 - Palestro, Italy

1863 - San Lorenzo, Mexico

1908 - 1912 - Morocco

1915 - Champagne, France

1916 - Verdun, France

1918 - Moreuil-Noyon, France

1943 - Le Faid, France

1945 - Danube, Germany

Battle Order

Date/Order

1852 - 1914 - 3?me R?giment de Zouaves

1914 - 1943 - 3?me R?giment de Marche de Zouaves

1943 - 1949 - 3?me Batallion de Zouaves Port?s

1949 - 1962 - 3?me Batallion de Zouaves

Thanks it?s very interesting...Do you have the same for the others Zouave?s regiments??

Regards :cheers:

Miguel

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Thanks it?s very interesting...Do you have the same for the others Zouave?s regiments??

Regards :cheers:

Miguel

Miguel ,

I'm still looking around for info for you, anything new i'll post here.

Regards Eddie

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1er R?giment de Zouaves

Service and Battles

Date/Service

1852 - Organised and mustered in Philippeville, Algeria

Laghouat expedition.

1853 - Babors expedition.

1854 - 1855 Campaign in Russia (Crimean War)

Sevastopol, Assault on Malakoff (8th Sept 1855)

1856 - Returned to Algeria

1857 - Kabylie expedition

1859 - 4th battalion created. 8th May,Combat in Melegano (Italy) October returned to Algeria.

1860 - 1861 - Syria expedition, returned in June.

1862 - 1867 - 2 Battalions fight in Mexico, they return in April 1867.

1870 - 1871 Franco-Prussian War

1872 - Actions at Kabylie

1876 - Peacekeeping operations in El Amri, Biskra.

1882 - 2 Battalions take part in the M'Zab expedition

1900 - 1901 China (Boxer uprising)

1914 - Charleroi (21-23 August)

Battle of the Marne (6 - 13th Sept.) : Montmirail (9th Sept) Ch?teau-Thierry (10th Sept.) , Fismes (13th Sept.)

Battle of Flanders: L'Yser, Luyghem, Bixschoote, Maison du Passeur.

1915 - Flanders : Steenstraate, Lizerne

1916 - Battle of Verdun : Bois des Corbeaux et de Cumi?res (8-12th March)

Battle of the Somme : bois de Chaulnes, Le Pressoir, Ablaincourt (July-August)

1917 - Marne : Le Cornillet (14th May)

1918 - Attack on Matz (11th June) Aisne: Longpont, Villers-H?lon (18th July) Nampcel, Bl?rancourt L'Aisne (September)

1939 - Oran (2nd-26 Sept loaded and returned to France)

25th-2nd October, Marsaille, 5th October camp D'Avord, 22nd October Maubeuge

1940 - Luneville (7th April), Lorraine Front- Sarregumines (12th May), Dieuze (23rd May), Valmy, Sainte Menehould (27th May), Reims (5th June), Rilly-La-Montagne (6th June), Battle of the L'Aisne at Chamery (11th June), sermiers (12th June), regrouped Arcis-sur-Aube, Troyes (15 June) The Regiment is captured in the Mery sector and escorted to La Courtine.

1944 - 1945 reformed in Algeria and joined the 1st Armoured Division

Docked at St Tropez on the 15th August 1944.

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1er R?giment de Zouaves

1914 : Charleroi (21-23 August)

Battle of the Marne (6 - 13th Sept.) : Montmirail (9th Sept) Ch?teau-Thierry (10th Sept.) , Fismes (13th Sept.)

Battle of Flanders: L'Yser, Luyghem, Bixschoote, Maison du Passeur.

1915 : Flanders : Steenstraate, Lizerne

1916 : Battle of Verdun : Bois des Corbeaux et de Cumi?res (8-12th March)

Battle of the Somme : bois de Chaulnes, Le Pressoir, Ablaincourt (July-August)

1917 : Marne : Le Cornillet (14th May)

1918 : Attack on Matz (11th June) Aisne: Longpont, Villers-H?lon (18th July) Nampcel, Bl?rancourt L'Aisne (September)

Thanks again :beer:

Miguel

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Hello all

Since the question was put as to what uniform the Zouaves wore during WW1, here is a picture of my own father as a Sous/Lieutenant with the 3rd, in August 1915. As you can see, they wore the traditional French uniform (which might have been kaki and not light grey-blue) with the caracteristic red "chechia". It seems that they had exchanged the slouching variety as worn with the dress uniform shown on the first picture fot the higher "tirailleur" type.

The pup was not normally part of the uniform.

Regards

Veteran

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Hello all

Since the question was put as to what uniform the Zouaves wore during WW1, here is a picture of my own father as a Sous/Lieutenant with the 3rd, in August 1915. As you can see, they wore the traditional French uniform (which might have been kaki and not light grey-blue) with the caracteristic red "chechia". It seems that they had exchanged the slouching variety as worn with the dress uniform shown on the first picture fot the higher "tirailleur" type.

The pup was not normally part of the uniform.

Regards

Veteran

Thanks for compart this photo...The tall chechia could be conected with a later period than the slouch one represented in my pic???

Thanks again

miguel

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Thanks for compart this photo...The tall chechia could be conected with a later period than the slouch one represented in my pic???

Thanks again

miguel

To be honest, I don't really know. I have a hunch that the "slouch" chechia only went with the parade uniform. The "tirailleur" type may have been more generally worn during WW1 with the ordinary uniform, to be changed to a helmet when up front.

My answer is mostly guesswork. Sorry !

Veteran

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You can get casualty lists here: http://www.memorial-genweb.org/~memorial2/...se1418/arme.php

RMZ for the Regular Zouave regiments (1-4, 7-9)

RMZT for the Mixtes regiments (1-4)

RZB for R?giments des Zouaves Bis (haven't a clue what these are - depot battalions?)

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You can get casualty lists here: <a href="http://www.memorial-genweb.org/~memorial2/...se1418/arme.php" target="_blank">http://www.memorial-genweb.org/~memorial2/...se1418/arme.php</a>

RMZ for the Regular Zouave regiments (1-4, 7-9)

RMZT for the Mixtes regiments (1-4)

RZB for R?giments des Zouaves Bis (haven't a clue what these are - depot battalions?)

Thanks for your collaboration. Not knowing their name /and/or Regiment I?m afraid that it?ll be almost impossible to seach more... :blush:

Regards

Miguel

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