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Here's a Major or Chef de Bataillon tunic for Cavalry.

The stripes weren't always applied according to the standards set in regulations. Notice how the strips are above the Brandenburg cuff

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Boris,

Your graphic work is terrific. I wish your chart had been available years ago when I was desperately trying to learn the French Army ranks.

I've always read and been told that France only introduced ranks above 3 stars at the end of 1918. I always wondered how when the rank of Marshall exist.

Hello ccj, I have to be grateful for Veteran, that gave me the clue. I thougt erroniously that there were generals up to division in 1914. Marshall is not really a rank in French Army. Is an honorary rank or a "dignit?" in french language.

Yor collection is really amazing, is better a museum. Thanks to show it here.

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The stripes weren't always applied according to the standards set in regulations. Notice how the strips are above the Brandenburg cuff

Yes you are right, i have seen some more photos tan not follow the standar patterns.

Here's a nice two star generals kepi exactly like the one in your chart.

Here's a nice 3 star. I need lessons on photography. I have a few nice items but no ability to take quality photos with a neutral background decent enough for posting.

I think you get a very worthy photos ccj, I try to reproduce precisely the real documents like yours as you can see here:

Regards

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Can someone explain this? It looks interesting...

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Description de la planche :

-Soldat de 1?re classe en grande tenue.

-Adjudant en tenue de manoeuvre peu avant 1914.

-Soldat de premi?re classe en tenue de caserne.

-Soldat en tenue de campagne ? la mobilisation en ao?t 1914.

-Sergent major en tenue de campagne, en principe il y a un couvre k?pi bleu.

-Officier en tenue de campagne ? la mobilisation (capitaine), la tunique est noire alors qu'elle devrait ?tre de gris de fer comme la capote des soldats.

-Soldat en tenue de manoeuvre en bourgeron.

-Soldat en tenue de campagne vue de dos avec le sac ? vivre, le bidon de 1litre ( et non gourde) , le sac avec une pelle et un seau en toile.

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Found on the following forum

http://granguerra.crearforo.com/el-uniform...1914-es787.html

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In English

Translation poor

- Soldier, 1st class in great uniform.

- Adjudant in uniform of operation little before 1914.

- Soldier of first class in uniform of barracks.

- Soldier in combat dress to the mobilization in August 1914.

- Sergeant major in combat dress, in theory there is one covers blue kepi.

- Officer in combat dress to the mobilization (captain), the tunic is black then qu' it should be of iron gray as the hood of the soldiers.

- Soldier in uniform of operation in overall.

- Soldier in combat dress seen of back with the bag with living, the can of 1litre (and not gourd), the bag with a shovel and a bucket in fabric.

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Hello ccj

Can I help you in anything?

I think there is a little mistake in traslation.

Tenue is uniform. Not behavior, anyway thanks to mention our modest forum.

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Hello ccj

Can I help you in anything?

I think there is a little mistake in traslation.

Tenue is uniform. Not behavior, anyway thanks to mention our modest forum.

Thanks Boris.

Was the short jacket only used in the barracks? I thought mounted units wore them in the field with a waist band or wrap...

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Hello ccj

The only cavalry unit I have notice that wore the "salopette" or short jacket is the "Chasseurs d'Afrique", with a sash as you say:

And in the Foreing Legion, with the sash too in (I don't know the name in english) "uniforme de paseo" we say.

In the continental Arm?e de Terre it like was just in barracks service:

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And there is a white overall for service in barracks too, as you can see, the services are a little more "dirty".

The air force mechanics use the "salopette" too:

And the zouaves something like a waistcoat:

Regards

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And there is a white overall for service in barracks too, as you can see, the services are a little more "dirty".

The air force mechanics use the "salopette" too:

And the zouaves something like a waistcoat:

Regards

Thanks for the help.

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"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" Some 30-plus years ago I drew a series of oakleaves, acorns, etc., depicting arms and services of General officers of the French army, first here is a pre-WW1 pattern for Army Postal Service. More to come, hopefully? Sarge Booker of Tujunga, California (hhbooker2@yahoo.com)

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"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" Some 30-plus years ago I drew a series of oakleaves, acorns, etc., depicting arms and services of General officers of the French army, first here is a pre-WW1 pattern for Army Postal Service. More to come, hopefully? Sarge Booker of Tujunga, California (hhbooker2@yahoo.com)

Here is a post-1914 kepi pattern for general officers in the Army Postal Service. Sarge Booker

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"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" Military Medical Corps general officer's kepi embroidery. Can anyone add to these, please? Thank you very much! Sarge Booker of Tujunga, California.

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Boris...thank you so much...I have never seen better.

"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" You're quite welcome, Boris! I drew those drawing at least three decades ago, quit drawing as drawings got replaced by colour photography. I gave away some publications that were in B&W (black and white), not in colour, no one wanted them even though they showed all sorts of hard-to-find pictures of insignia, many today do not care for books that do not have all colour photographs, sad to say! Same with great old motion pictures made in B&W, they either get "Ted Turner Colourized" or not seen by today's younger audiences. I offered to give away the original artwork and almost no takers. A few people did however ask I give them the kepis themselves so they might sell them and use the money to buy stuff they want to have in their own collections. If you go to France and enter a specialized shop that deals with kepis, I'll wager they get at least US$500.00 and up for a new one made-to-order, maybe more? French officers kepis are unequaled among worldwide military headgear! They were popular in Mexico and in Civil War era U.S.A. on both sides! I've always wondered if the "KEPI" started life as a "SHAKO" and had the stiffner removed and it converted to a "KEPI," perhaps? Thanks, Boris! cat.gif Sarge Booker of Tujunga

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"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" Here is a WW2 black and white photograph of Major General Charles De Gaulle wear the plainer kepi and another French general wearing the fancier kepi. Both are probably veterans of WW1? I wondered if the other general was the same rank or outranked De Gaulle? catjava.gif

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Hello hhbooker2

I'm not a specialist in french kepis, even in french uniforms in general, I made that as forum ranks with the invaluable help of ccj and other kind members of this forum. At last I lost the originals changing of computer some time ago :( . Anyway its are here, I hope for ever :D .

It is incredible people were not appreciate your draws enought, for me are very interesting cause of it specialization and rareness. The good side of not to depend of comecial criterion is you can make things only for love to make this (I think it is not very good english, sorry, but I learned it many time ago) and with those commercial thinkings, would not be never made. Thanks to put it here. Now I'm in other matters, as maps, but if I come back to the world of french kepis that is any improbable I will take your work into account, if you d'ont mind, of course. Anyway the Great World and around are my action field.

Saludos

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