FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 HELLO , AS A NEW MEMBER JOINING TODAY MAY I SAY HELLO TO ALL,CAN YOU HELP WITH ANY INFORMATION ON A MEDAL I ACQUIRED YESTERDAY.QSA TO TROOPER W.LOOKER 27458 21ST IMPERIAL YEOMANRY,ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. REGARDS DAVID........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Hi David, welcome!Here are his details if that helps. Looker, Walter 27458, Trooper, 21st Coy., 2nd Bn. I.Y. Part of the First Contingent. Companies of volunteers (10,242 men) formed from across the UK. They signed-up for 12 months service. Some of the companies were newly raised, and others (one third) were sponsored by part-time Yeomanry Cavalry regiments which were not liable for overseas service. 2nd Battalion 5th (Warwickshire) Company, raised 1900 21st (Cheshire) Company, raised 1900 - Arrived in SA 25th Feb, 190022nd (Cheshire) Company, raised 1900 32nd (Lancashire) Company, raised 1900; co-sponsored by Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry Cavalry, and Lancashire Hussars 103rd (Warwickshire) Company, raised 1901 110th (Northumberland) Company, raised 1901 Not listed as MIA or KIA as far as i can tellRegards Eddie Edited August 5, 2008 by Taz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 HELLO EDDIE, MANY THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY MOST HELPFUL,I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THIS GENTLEMAN.CAN I FIND CONFIRMATION OF HIS ENTITLEMENT TO THE BARS THE MEDAL CARRIES? BEST REGARDS DAVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Which bars does it have David?Regards Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 HELLO EDDIE, IT HAS THE FOLLOWING ORANGE FREE STATE/CAPE COLONY/1901/1902 REGARDS DAVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 David,Do you have reason to believe they do not belong on the Medal? It seems to be a normal selection of clasps.Cape ColonyStateTypeClasp11/10/1899 - 31/05/1902Not awarded if eligible for clasps for actions in Cape Colony or NatalOrange Free StateStateTypeClasp28/02/1900 - 31/05/1902Troops present within Orange River Colony and did not receive any other clasps for actions within the Orange River Colony.South Africa 1901DatetypeClasp1901Troops not eligible for the King's South Africa medal, although they had served at the front during 1901South Africa 1902DateTypeClasp1902Troops not eligible for the King's South Africa medal, although they had served at the front during 1902They were fighting in the areas denoted by the clasps.The Date type clasp was issued for the KSA Medal to personnel who were serving in South Africa on or after 1 January 1901 and who would have completed at least 18 months' service prior to 1 June 1902. Any service in South Africa during 1901 or 1902 that did not meet this criteria was recognised by the award of the appropriate date clasp to the Queen's South Africa Medal. This means he was not eligiable to recieve the KSA.Regards Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Gordon's (aka British Battles and Medals) used to have a chart of the usual medal entitlements of the IY.Some poking around seems to indicate that the 21st did not qualify for Transvaal. The fact that he has the South Africa 1902 clasp may indicate a transfer to another unit. Edited August 5, 2008 by Michael Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 HELLO EDDIE, THE MEDAL IN VF CONDITION,BUT THE 1901/2 CLASPS WERE WIRED ONTO THE STATE BARS THE ASKING PRICE WAS ?125 AND BECAUSE I HAVE PURCHASED MEDALS REGULARLY FROM THIS PERSON I WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE IT UNTILL I COULD CONFIRM THE BARS BEFORE PAYING.SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BUT I AM VERY GRATEFUL. REGARDS DAVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 All capitalized letters is considering SHOUTING per internet etiquette.Please type normally.It is also less annoying to read. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Wired date clasps are not unusual, as they were sent after the other clasps, and it was up to the recipient to attach them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Hello, My aplagies i do this mainly because i have poor eyesight even with glasses,whilst i understand your reply i do find it most abrupt.Should you wish i will unsubscibe from this forum,again my aploagies. Regards David Captain R M Retired................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 David, if you are using Internet Explorer, you can increase your text size by selecting:View, Text Size, and Larger or Largest. Most browsers default to about Medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Wired date clasps are not unusual, as they were sent after the other clasps, and it was up to the recipient to attach them.Hello, Many thanks for taking the time to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Also, clicking on the "Lo-Fi Version" label at the bottom of the screen will give you black text on a white background. The higher contrast may be more readable. Edited August 5, 2008 by Michael Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 David: I have one eye, and share your vision difficulties. Brevity being something I am normally not guilty of was simply trying not to distract more than needed off topic. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 HELLO EDDIE,THE MEDAL IN VF CONDITION,BUT THE 1901/2 CLASPS WERE WIRED ONTO THE STATE BARS THE ASKING PRICE WAS ?125 AND BECAUSE I HAVE PURCHASED MEDALS REGULARLY FROM THIS PERSON I WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE IT UNTILL I COULD CONFIRM THE BARS BEFORE PAYING.SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BUT I AM VERY GRATEFUL.REGARDS DAVIDHi David,I think Micheal has answered your query about the wired date clasps already.If you need more info on Trooper Looker maybe the National Archives can help further. I've included a link below just in case you are not sure of the site address.http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militar.../army/step4.htmRegards Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 According to Gordon, this combination is correct for the second contingent of the 21st Coy. I.Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hello, Thank you for your information most helpful,and to all who have been kind enough to reply my thanks again.I realise i have not been on here long enough to sell but could you advise me as to the best place to sell a kia group please details below.1-QSA WITH CLASPS-CC-TH-OFS-RLS-TRNVL-LNK2-KSA 1901/23-LSGC EDV11 ALL 3 MIDDSEX REG1915 TRIO 1/R BERKSDEATH PLAQUETEMPERANCE MEDAL 1900RANKS AS FOLLOWS QSA[CPL]-KSA[sGT]-LSGC[C.SGT]STAR-2/LIEUT-WAR & VICTORY [CAPT]BRIEF HISTORY-CAPT COX WAS KIA SUNDAY16/MAY/1915 NEAR FESTUBERT WHILE LEADING A COMPANY 1,ROYAL BERKS HE WAS 41.COMES WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF COPIED PAPERWORK SERVICE DETAILS ECT.ITEMS FOUND ON THE BODY OF THIS OFFICER WERE STOLEN BY A CPL OF THE BAT WHO WAS TRIED BY COURT MARTIAL regards davidAccording to Gordon, this combination is correct for the second contingent of the 21st Coy. I.Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hi Very Nice group-Ebay would give you access to world wide bidder salthough for a group like this I would try a specialist auction house(DNW,Spinks etc)can you post a picture of this group as I would like to see it in all its gloryCheers perce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOR VALOUR Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hello Perce, Thank you for your kindness will try to post pictures.Hi Very Nice group-Ebay would give you access to world wide bidder salthough for a group like this I would try a specialist auction house(DNW,Spinks etc)can you post a picture of this group as I would like to see it in all its gloryCheersperce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) Hi DavidWhat a fantastic group-Thanks for the photos- have stuck a bit more info on for you (which you probably would have already)Value of this group is going to be quite high as he's a: an officer and b: a infantry groupSeems to be an absolute doozy as a research oppurtunityPerceCOX, WILLIAM JOSEPHInitials:W JNationality:United KingdomRank:CaptainRegiment/Service:Royal Berkshire RegimentUnit Text:1st Bn.Age:41Date of Death:16/05/1915Additional information:Son of George Wilton Cox and Emma Cox, of Stroud, Glos.; husband of Louisa Rose Cox, of 15, Westborough Rd., Westcliff-on-Sea., Essex.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:I. A. 16.Cemetery:RUE-DES-BERCEAUX MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUEHello Perce,Thank you for your kindness will try to post pictures. Edited August 8, 2008 by perce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjarofwasps Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I recommend this book.....COOKE, John H.5,000 Miles with the Cheshire Yeomanry in South Africa. A Series of articles Compiled from Letters and Diaries Written By Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers and Men of the 21st and 22nd (Cheshire) Companies of Imperial Yeomanry, .......http://www.vialibri.net/item_pg/1314237.htmIts not cheap mind about ?500+, but its well worth geting hold of.In addition to naming I think I`m right in saying that they didn`t start using the rank `Trooper` until later on in the war, the first drafts where ranked as Privates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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