saschaw Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Of course you are right, these things were from the "Nachlass" of Otto Braun, but the awards and documents were from:- August Braun- his Son Otto Baun- Otto Braun's son in law Prof. Gierckeand also of some of their wifes. The very nice medal bar and ribbon bar were of none of these as the two Brauns were dead before WWI and Giercke had other awards ... I really took a close look at these things when me and my father visited the seller, can trust me in this ... Did you buy anything else, or just the ribbon bar with the bow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 For people who love devices on ribbon bar. I have 2 oakleaves and they are very different. Your comments are welcome.RegardsChristopheHi Christophe,I would say that the device on the left is a good representation of the OZL oakleaves while the one on he right, to me, is more "Prussian" as would be associated with PLM?s and Red Eagles.Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hello, Im a late one but one question always runs towards my mind => who did make these absolute beauty's? Is there a way to find out who mad ewich type of Z?hringer? Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Im a late one but one question always runs towards my mind => who did make these absolute beauty's? Is there a way to find out who mad ewich type of Z?hringer? As far as I know makers are know but it's hard to tell a particular piece being made by a maker as most (at least the silber WWI ones) are without any marks. Some are sometimes marked, e.g. with "B" for "Ludwig Bertsch, Karlsruhe", "Z" for "Joseph Zuber, Karlsruhe" and also Zimmermann in Pforzheim made many - methinks most of the WWI stuff, but I actually don't KNOW it ... Would be very nice and interessting to learn about this, as it's a question very interresting, also for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) Hello, Here is the piece earned by Leutnant der Reserve Oskar Morath (Artillerie officer), as wel as his EK 2 + ribbon bar.Cordial greetings, Edited November 18, 2006 by Stijn David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hello, Here is a better scan from the "Bandspange" => feel free to add more Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Very nice big ribbon bar. First time I see one with BZ ribbon.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Here my last Lion. I was given a home for him.The OZL is light damaged. The silverplates under the green glasses are not in best condition. Also the ribbon. It must be wet for some times. The red color on the ribbon must be from the case. But is it a commandercross, made from gold, 53,4 X 49,4 mm, 26,6 g.Medaillon 18mm, weared ribbon 64 mm. No marks. Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 In the spirit of sharing.. My 1st cl. RK with X, gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 reverse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 My 1st cl. RK w/o X, also gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 And reverse.. I would post them all, but that would feel like hijacking this thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 And reverse.. I would post them all, but that would feel like hijacking this thread..Post away, I never get tired of seeing these!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Allright, as per request.. 2nd cl. RK w/o X, 1870's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Reverse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 2nd cl. with X ww1 issue, sorry I don't have more pics at hand on this one.. I'll have to take more during the holidays.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The merit cross in it's case.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 (edited) My smallest family member. Judging from the company it's been keeping, It's either a commander or a 1st cl. Edited December 17, 2006 by Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 More detail.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The reverse. And if there is interest, I can show you the big case.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I have a question to the Knights crosses of the Order of the Z?hringer L?we. Nimmergut lists the 1st class and the 2nd class of the Knights cross with swords on the ring. Now, i know, that swords on the ring on prussian orders means, the wearer had the lower class of this order with swords, but that wouldn?t make sense for the Z?hringer L?we. So, what does the swords on the ring signify on the OZL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 "Schwerter am Ring" were awarded for military merits of NON military persons (and as well to physicians and ministers), and as far as I know only in the 1866 and 1870/71 years - none in WWI. ONE Commander Cross IInd class with swords on ringTHREE Knight Crosses Ist class with swords on ringThirteen Knight Crosses IInd class with swords on ring.Not to many, Hmm? I've yet seen some offered, but did not like them really ... Nimmergut showed one in his 2003/04 OEK which seems to be fine - this one is (if I remember correctly) in the "Wehrgeschichtl. Museum Rastatt". It's the same H. Volle shows in his book about Baden's Orders and Decorations in 1976. PS: I've none of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Besten Dank, Sascha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 "Schwerter am Ring" were awarded for military merits of NON military persons (and as well to physicians and ministers), and as far as I know only in the 1866 and 1870/71 years - none in WWI. ONE Commander Cross IInd class with swords on ringTHREE Knight Crosses Ist class with swords on ringThirteen Knight Crosses IInd class with swords on ring.Not to many, Hmm? I've yet seen some offered, but did not like them really ... Nimmergut showed one in his 2003/04 OEK which seems to be fine - this one is (if I remember correctly) in the "Wehrgeschichtl. Museum Rastatt". It's the same H. Volle shows in his book about Baden's Orders and Decorations in 1976. PS: I've none of them. I knew that they were rare; but never realized how rare; thanks for the information. I remember very well the OMSA convention about fifteen years ago where a well known collector was selling his OZL collection. He had a bunch of ?em (swords on ring). What I particularly remember is how shiny and bright they were, especially the 2nd class pieces. Maybe too shiny and bright? Definitely too shiny and bright. Now that I think about it, there were some with swords and swords on ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Probably to shiny, yes. Now that I think about it, there were some with swords and swords on ring. Oh, they are really rare, where they with or without oak leaves? Well, no more combinations than listed in OEK are possible, none with "Schwerter am Ring" and anything additional, as the swords on ring had in Baden another meaning than they had in Prussia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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