ccj Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Can anyone give information or show images of Oberstleutnants Christl of 13. k.u.k Infanterie Regiment?I have interest in this man after seeing his tunic and a few effect offered for sale. I'm trying to acquire some of of his stuff.Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ccj Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 I'm almost certain this ribbon bar doesnt belong with the group. I know it's a post war bar that would have been worn on a different tunic. I'm not sure it looks to be a bar a senoir officer would have worn years after the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Reverse shows signs of staining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 Anyone???? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hi,The only 'Christl' that I have been able to locate that remotely fits the scenario is Oberleutnant der Reseve Anton Christl who was working in the Kriegsarchiv (zugeteilt) in 1914. There is no mention of him in the 1916 Rangliste. No photo of him I am afraid.He held the following orders and medals.Officers Service Cross 3rd ClassBronze Jubilee Medal Military Jubilee Cross Bosnian-Hercegovina MedalRegards,Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 In the 1904 Schematismus I found a Major Anton Christl Generalstabschef 1. InfanterieTruppenDivision in Sarajewo who became Generalstabs-member on 1st of November 1903. At this time he was only decorated with the 1898 Jubilee-MedalIn the 1914-Schematismus (page 1038) I found Oberst Anton Christl (25Years-Service Cross, JuileeMedal 1898, 1908 Cross, Bosnian Medal) as retired Officer in special assignement to the Kriegsarchiv since 2nd of January 1911.regardsjosef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 In the 1904 Schematismus I found a Major Anton Christl Generalstabschef 1. InfanterieTruppenDivision in Sarajewo who became Generalstabs-member on 1st of November 1903. At this time he was only decorated with the 1898 Jubilee-MedalIn the 1914-Schematismus (page 1038) I found Oberst Anton Christl (25Years-Service Cross, JuileeMedal 1898, 1908 Cross, Bosnian Medal) as retired Officer in special assignement to the Kriegsarchiv since 2nd of January 1911.regardsjosefI have a set of orders that read;k und k Infanterieregiment von Kuller Nro 94Beilage zum Regimentskommandobefehl Nro 238 vom 25 August 190Anornungen des k und k 29 Infanterietruppendivisions Kommwndos fur die Manoever 190Obstlt ChristlII/Kn.26I/Kn.26I just received the manuevre booklets and the orders with the tunic in the mail today. I'm not sure about the orders as there's a small map on it. See post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Nice neck stock, Charles. That is the sort of uniform accessory it is virtually impossible to find.Perhaps this Christl is NOT in the Schematismus, which is for the "Imperial" army, but in the Landwehr list for the "national" army?Glenn was telling me that there were THREE sets of Lists--one for the Dual forces, one for the Hungarian (Honved) "national," and one for the Austrian ("Landwehr") national armies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Yes there are three seperate schematismus for the different forces of the Empire. I have checked my 1906 Landwehr and Gendarmerie copy and the only Christl is a Kadetten, so I guess we can rules him out. I don't have access to a Honved copy so a Honved Officer is still a possibility. However, having said that the orange (orange-yellow)?? facing colour on the rank insignia rules out Honved. Another point is that 'k. u. k. Infanterieregiment von Kuller Nr 94' had a facing colour of white, so I would think that rules that IR out. Regards,Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 Yes there are three seperate schematismus for the different forces of the Empire. I have checked my 1906 Landwehr and Gendarmerie copy and the only Christl is a Kadetten, so I guess we can rules him out. I don't have access to a Honved copy so a Honved Officer is still a possibility. However, having said that the orange (orange-yellow)?? facing colour on the rank insignia rules out Honved. Another point is that 'k. u. k. Infanterieregiment von Kuller Nr 94' had a facing colour of white, so I would think that rules that IR out. Regards,IanI'm confused to because the seller indicated IR13 but I see no evidence of this. The collar tab backing is Rosa/pink. I'll taker better images tonight if possible. It's a very nice tunic. Rick, the neck stock is a very nice item and I'm happy to have it in the group. I just hope to find another torso soon so I don't have to remove a tunic from one in my room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'm not familiar with Hapsburg troop designaions, but are not those the tactical symbols for ARTILLERY units-- so presumably the Mysteriously Unfindable Oberstleutnant Christl was commanding "K(anone)n (Rgt?) 26" ?Since the ribbon bar has nothing to do with anything, I'd assume that the tunic and paperwork have nothing to do with each other, either.Always thought it was much much too tricky trying to identify 90+ year old faded collar patch colors for unit IDs than having nice numbers or ciphers. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pink, Salmon, rose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pink, Salmon, rose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 So what does that choice of colors and the patch braid colors suggest as potential units? 4 loops? 5? 25 Years Long Service CRoss, 1898 Military Jubilee Medal, 1908 MJ Cross, and two awards-- peacetime Signum Laudis in bronze and a peacetime Military Merit Cross, maybe?Pre-world war tunic if Pike Gray, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 So what does that choice of colors and the patch braid colors suggest as potential units? 4 loops? 5? 25 Years Long Service CRoss, 1898 Military Jubilee Medal, 1908 MJ Cross, and two awards-- peacetime Signum Laudis in bronze and a peacetime Military Merit Cross, maybe?Pre-world war tunic if Pike Gray, right?Six awards... the piping would be IR13 for German or IR5 for Hungarian if it's rose. The problem is the kuk had too many shades of red.Scarlet-red NOAmaranth-red ?? What is it?Lobster-red NOMadder-red NOClaret-red NOPale-red ?? IR57 or 65Rose-red Maybe IR13 or 5Cherry-red NOCrimson-red MAYBE IR84 or 96Dark-red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 Neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ccj Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 I was sure this Obstlt Christl would be easy to find. Rose or Carmine piped tunic. I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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