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On 27/12/2014 at 23:04, paja said:

Some Kingdom of Yugoslavia embroidered braid badges for officer's caps/shajkache, introduced by the 1939 regulation, which replaced older enameled monogram badges. They where used by many Chetniks during the duration of the second world war, including General Draža Mihailović.

Red versions (infantry).

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Some examples shown on caps and shajkache.

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Different colours for different units,

Red - Infantry

Black - Artillery

Blue - Cavalry

Violet (Purple) - Engineers

Brown - Medical

Green - Supply

Cream - Chaplain

Some examples of variations that have sold on Emedals over the years.

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Major Milan Cvjetičanin's (1915-1963) original embroidered braid badges from the war.

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Embroidered braid badges were also used for the navy, air force and firemen, and they would be used as makeshift Chetnik badges during the war.

Navy

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Air force

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An infantry (red) embroidered braid badge for NCO's ( Non-commissioned officers), caps/shajkache, very rare and this is the only one I have every seen. Not sure what the sticker on the back is for, maybe someone could shed some light.

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The Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge) was made in Eboli, Italy of an aluminum alloy and was awarded to members of the Yugoslav Army in the Homeland (JVuO), starting at the end of 1945 until the end of 1946. A smaller version was also made and had a pin attached to the back (theses were not numbered on the back). These full-size badges were given to JVuO members who were then in Allied camps in Italy (Eboli) and Germany (Munster), but not to civilians.

The triangular design, with an upright sword through the center, a human skull just above the hand guard, and palm and olive branches crossed over the handle, are similar in both sizes. At the bottom of both large and small badges is stamped “РАВНА ГОРА” (“Ravna Gora”). The Serbian Cyrillic letters “ДМ” (“DM”), which stand for the name of Draža Mihailović, are also incorporated into the design of the badge. The badge was also made in Latin script (PII) for members of the Royal Yugoslav Armed Forces of non Serbian origin and also for some Bosnian Chetniks. The image of the Ravnogorski Znak is now used as a symbol for the Veterans Association of the Royal Yugoslav Army.

This larger badge, which measures 1-7/16" (37 mm) wide by 2" (50 mm) high, sometimes had the Roman numeral “II” stamped on the blade of the sword for King Peter II Karađorđević (“П”, the Serbian Cyrillic letter for “P”, also appears under the crown), and on the reverse there is always a unique number-of-record stamped into the bottom, under the safety pin. Each badge weighs between 4.10 and 4.25 grams. There are many different versions and variations of this badge. These are some of the ones that have shown up over time.

Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003728), sold on Emedals for $715 USD.

https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-second-war-serbian-chetnik-badge

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003601), from the Georgetown, D.C. estate of a gentleman who was a Lieutenant Colonel who served under Draža Mihailović and was in the Eboli camp after the war. The man who discovered all of these badges from an estate sale, Stephen L. Stewart (more commonly know by his eBay name, stewartsl) sold the badges one by one on eBay. The one shown in the pictures with number 003601 sold almost six years ago and achieved the record sale of $1,494 USD. The other badge numbers he has sold are 003620, 003621 (which was only sold two months ago for $550 USD and is the best condition one that he has sold), 004111, 004114, 004118 and 004119. To this day he only has one more left and has stated that he wants to keep it.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-uncirculated-Serbian-Chetnik-Ravna-Gora-badge-/123252121058?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gQVK6K7vmiDp0pKK2CYMAAqRqjY%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005759), sold on Flying Tiger Antiques.

https://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/very-rare-wwii-serbian-chetnik-guerillapartisan-badge-numbered-on-reverse.html

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 001954), sold on Regimental Badges.

https://www.regimentalbadges.com/en-GB/others/ww2-serbian-chetnik-ravna-gora-badge-/prod_10713#.W54q3fYRVPY

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Edited by Momčilo Đujić

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005810), on German War Booty Archive.

http://www.germanwarbooty.com/item-medals01/medals m5410.htm

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 002343), sold on The Saleroom.

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/andrew-smith-and-son/catalogue-id-srandr10029/lot-cf20987e-ee26-4211-b656-a45a01222ceb

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Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number unknown), belonging to Major Milan Cvjetičanin (1915-1963). The photo in Eboli camp shows, from left to right: Milivoje Vuksanovich, Jovo Keca, Tadija Metlicich, Stevo Radjenovich, Zika Mladenovich, Milan Cvjetičanin (right in front, shown whearing his Ravnogorski Znak on his left breast pocket), Bogdan Drobac.

https://www.pogledi.rs/en/major-milan-cvjeticanin/

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Edited by Momčilo Đujić

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On 22/02/2012 at 04:19, Lightfoot said:

 

 

The insignia PII is impossible to have on a Kingdom of Serbia cockade. There´s a lot of "homemixed" cockades. It´s like with the opposite, the PI insignia on a Kingdom of Yugoslavia cockade. The parts are all original but not right put together with the time periods :).

Hi Gents,

It looks that was made from original parts. Peter II could not go on Kingdom Serbia kokarda. The Peter II was taken from Varazdin type of Kingdom Yugoslavia kokarda.

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Hey Valjevo, it's most likely just a wartime customization of the badge as some Chetniks didn't believe in the 'Kingdom of Yugoslavia' ideology but rather just as Orthodox Serbs. This is the best reason I can give for the King Peter Karađorđević 2 kokarda having Serbian flag colours instead of Yugoslav flag colours. This is also easy to do as the monarch initials are just attached by tabs which hold them in place, therefor they can be easily be manipulated and removed form the kokarda. This is why you sometimes see these kokarde in good condition (not damaged), but missing the initial for the monarch.

King Peter Karađorđević 1 of Serbia (1903-1921)

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King Peter Karađorđević 2 of Yugoslavia (1934-1941)

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I’d like to know if my badge is authentic? If so, why is it different from other badges?

Here are the photos of the back and front.

https://m.imgur.com/a/WuhnlRm

 

Linked the image because I wasnt able to post the images here.

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I'm not 100% sure if it is authentic or not, because allot of these 'war casting' kokarde and badges have been popping up recently, and its very suspicious because its not that hard to fake.

Here are some similar examples, of which I am also unsure of their authenticity.

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On 22/06/2019 at 23:36, Rocky222 said:

I’d like to know if my badge is authentic? If so, why is it different from other badges?

Here are the photos of the back and front.

https://m.imgur.com/a/WuhnlRm

 

Linked the image because I wasnt able to post the images here.

Hi there,

That's a million dollar question,  and the short answer is; depending where you got it. To me it looks like it was made do deceive a potential collector but that's just my opinion.  We know that there are hundreds of fakes in all different variations and the experts on this subject are tight lipped. 

 

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The badge in question.

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 I have this one,  "text book" example and I'm not sure of anything about it except it came from a reputable source 

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On 25/12/2014 at 10:17, Emanuel said:

For the Serbian "Ljotic" Saint George badge, there are two variations.

 

One is with Pin and catch and numbers location on the left middle side ( like with the badges on the photos from the previous page) and the other variation is with Nuts, two of them, Up and down of the badge.

 

Now about the numbering, seems the series made with pin and catch was larger in number and they have indeed zero in front, I have seen original with 0******

 

The ones with nuts attaching device, are with low numbers ( three mostly ) and no zero in front and you can find them on the right side of the upper Nut.

 

The two badges that Paja brought pictures are indeed copies, the numbers are similar like those, but they didn't do so good job ;)

 

( The original pieces have "jumby" numbers- by that I mean not always in a straight line - and these numbers are not the same visually as the original ones).

 

I am sorry that I do not have pictures to provide, I do not posses a Ljotic Saint George badge.....

Hi Emanuel,

Can you tell me what you think about this one? I'm hoping it's real. Other comments are more than welcome 

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Here's one not exactly a ck badge but at least it's REAL 

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Hard to say, the detail/patina is good on the front of the badge and the back looks about right. The only thing is the serial number, it's faint and not as strong as it should be. No concerns with the bolts on the back, as there were variations made with a nut and bolt attachment. In my opinion it's most likely an original piece, with the nuts missing from the back.

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I haven't seen this badge before, but i have been told they exit ! Any idea who and when the II was stamped on the front ?

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The "II" was stamped after they were made in Eboli, Italy (1945 - 47), this was done by members of the post war Chetnik Association of Royal Yugoslav Combatants 'Draza Mihailovich" (Udruzenje Boraca Kraljevinske Jugoslovenske Vojeske 'Draza Mihailovic'). The "II" can be seen at the bottom of the Cyrillic " in their symbol of the Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge), which they adopted in emigration, with the addition of a wreath. This "II" stamped Cyrillic variation of the badge is usually seen with a high serial number on the revers of the badge, and is more uncommon than the normal Cyrillic Ravnogorski Znak.

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