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Considering that even the Hindy cross has been faked I would not doubt all these others have been as well. Exactly what is the cost to set up dies etc....???? Not that much in India,or Pakistan. Nor would it cost that much for a guy moonlighting at night using the same equipment that he uses for his day job.....

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OK Guys, any post after this that is not about fakes and sellers will be deleted. we dont want 20 pages of recriminations and hurt feelings. Best Chris

If my comments do not fit your parameters, please feel free to delete it. I understand. I have had it with this business! I have been collecting Imperial German orders and decorations for over thir

Nice post Wild Card. Best Chris

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Fair enough...I will admit I dont know how the fakers operate or the cost of their over heads. The only point I was trying to make was as I said not every single item in his inventory is fake which was implied and I know this from experience. I never intended to try and defend the guy or sing his praise.

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Speaking of fakes...

This 1870 EK1 recently sold on Ebay for $625 to a US buyer and it looks like a fake to me. EKs are not my area of expertise, so maybe some of the EK experts can comment.

The "W" looks too slender, and the the reverse is very dubious.

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speaking of fake EKs on eBay: a short while ago, one of our members sold two 1813 EK copies (1st and 2nd class) which were posted in the replica sales forum here on GMIC.

imagine my surprise last night when i spotted them freshly listed on ebay as "jeweler's copies", and priced out at a HUGE' buy it now' 300% price markup. :shame:

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Hello,

am-militaria seems quite active on eBay selling medal bars that are put together...

This one was sold for 655 euros, but it is put together as the Finnish combination with these medals is very much improbable.

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Yes, i did see this medal bar on ebay for sale when i was having a look-see a couple of days ago. What struck me first about it was the fact that if you count them there are awards from prussia, mecklenburg-schwerin, mecklenburg strelitz, lippe-detmoldt, anhalt, lubeck, bremen, hamburg, brunswick and finally hesse. This is a total of 10 different states represented on this bar :speechless1: , not to mention the different countries like WW1 germany, Nazi Germany, Bulgaria, Austria-Hungary, Finland etc...

Also, correct me if i am wrong, but with the amount of awards that I am seeing here, he should have had a higher grade award, such as a house order of hohenzollern or a Red Eagle fourth class.

In my humble opinion, this leaves this bar with three possibilities:

A: This belonged to some super guy who fought in a host of places, but if that is true then why doesn't he have higher grade awards?

B: This was the Kaiser's secondary bar for when he lost his normal one :lol:

C: It is a fake, an assessment which i am sure most of you will agree with me about. The only question is, is this a fake bar made up of genuine medals, or a completely fake creation? Considering the fact that it is made up of awards which relatively don't cost that much, i am inclined to think that some of the medals may be original. However, i'll leave this to those more experienced then me to verify.

Wow, that was longer than i thought it was going to be,

Matthew

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That is along the line of my initial reaction.

At first glance, I thought that the Kaiser's bar had come back on the market.

Whoever is making these medal bars for AM-Militaria is certainly working very hard to get them to look right. There is some good technique here. I wouldn't care to educate him (or her) on what he can do to get it better.

Normally, medal bar collectors examine a bar to review the "authenticating clues" that coincide with the same clues from known specimens. If the collecting community had a Fraud Division I would like them to autopsy these known fakes to discover all the Faker's clues to his construction so that it can be used to discover other fakes.

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comment / question to post no. 57: why is the German-Finnish bar a fake? The two Finnish awards are at the end and there are two Finnish medals which could have been awarded for participation in Finnish Liberation war.

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Detlef

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I didn't see anything I did not like. But was outbid on some...

:(

I might be to blame for some of your outbidding :unsure:

I'll make it up to you by posting images of some bars in a different section of the forum when they arrive :beer:

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Peter

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This huge medal bar is, if my memory serves me right, also from our Vienna friend. Unfortunately I cannot find it in my files to be 100% sure. Still 98,5%, without finding it. ;)

http://www.ebay.de/itm/130620879932

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The worst thing is when the Medal bars change hands two or three times from the original "bad" seller When they are

quite good they could easily fool some collectors .... :speechless: I belive saschav is right about the Ebay one ....

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Good catch Peter ! I really loved they Bavarian Bar

Christer

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Bars came in today and have been posted in this topic:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/52644-ribbon-bars/

Regards,

Peter

I might be to blame for some of your outbidding :unsure:

I'll make it up to you by posting images of some bars in a different section of the forum when they arrive :beer:

Regards,

Peter

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At last, both (actually, also the EK2) are not awarded ones, but later private purchase examples.

The fact that there are no (zero!) awards of this Baden medal known, makes this group highly suspicious.

However, the ribbons and sewing don't look to bad for mid-1930s.

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Take a look at the Recently Sold list of "raeritaetensammlerclub" and you will see the largest selection of fake german orders and badges matched up with the stupidest buyers on ebay. It is scary how good the Bavarian MVOs are compared to his garbage only a few years ago. Where is he getting them???

http://completed.sho...d=p3911.c0.m283

If he doesn't have it, he can have it made for you!

That's an extremely harsh and totally unwarranted thing to say about people who have bought from him on ebay. I suggest to you that just because someone isn't a member of a forum, or for that matter, aren't even aware that this, or the handful of other similar sites even exist, hardly makes them stupid. If you are a young or even old, but still a new or inexperienced buyer, and you find a seller with very high feedback numbers, and is rated at 100%, and the items sure look good (some even to the trained eye, as attested to here), why, according to you, does that make you one of the stupidest buyers on ebay if you then buy something from these dodgy dealers? I sure made mistakes when I started collecting. I've bought fakes, been ripped off, paid way too much etc. It's a learning curve. The internet has been a boon for collectors like me, the amount I have learnt from people here and elsewhere has proved invaluable. However, for years I didn't even know about this or any other collectors sites. I guess I was also one of the stupidest people on ebay. Maybe you were born perfect, good for you. Unfortunately most of us weren't.

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That's an extremely harsh and totally unwarranted thing to say about people who have bought from him on ebay. I suggest to you that just because someone isn't a member of a forum, or for that matter, aren't even aware that this, or the handful of other similar sites even exist, hardly makes them stupid.

Hi Troy,

see it as general frustration that this seller keeps suckering people and noone leaves a bad comment on ebay.... all the buyers must eventually find out what bollx they are buying.

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I sure made mistakes when I started collecting. I've bought fakes, been ripped off, paid way too much etc. It's a learning curve. The internet has been a boon for collectors like me, the amount I have learnt from people here and elsewhere has proved invaluable. However, for years I didn't even know about this or any other collectors sites.

I have to put myself in this category. At the same time, I had the good fortune of "growing up" under the guidance of Eric Ludvigsen and George Seymour, so minimal damage was done.

Hi Troy,

see it as general frustration that this seller keeps suckering people and noone leaves a bad comment on ebay.... all the buyers must eventually find out what bollx they are buying.

I also completely agree with this statement. I am often frustrated when I see "innocent" collectors fleeced by the same crooks time after time. It is unfortunate that these people cannot join the information mainstream. Feel sorry for that, not their lack of knowledge.

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