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hi to all easter rising ,black n tan medal and irish civil war historians n collectors im very sad at the amount of faked medals coming on to ebay from belfast,northern ireland not because of the money but our hrtitage is being exploited by these cowboys and im not thinking about my self here im thinking about the generations of youth coming behind us when we are gone as they will ask what reward did these great felons of our land receive in recognition to unite the country as whole 32 county?what can we reply or offer a lot of fake medals is this the reply we want to show the future generations that these awards were faked sold as real items people left conned we have to lead by example preserve our heritage our future and one way to do this is to leave them genuine artifacts the truth as ireland republican or unionism has a right to survive for our future gererations to compare and work together,our future is in the up and coming gererations so lets leave them the real aetifacts discard these fakes and the cowboys making a quick dollar and they will disappear,im new to this forum as ive stayed silent so long ive answered a few on this forum please read and reply to me what u think im always opened to suggestions,pet.

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Have you any thoughts on who or how are the medals being faked?

Over the past 10 years we've seen fakes from Australia which were very poor quality, medals in frames that are correctly advertised as repro, there is also a genuine seller from Cork selling repro medals and advertises them as such.

Can you give more details on the fakes from N.I and the quality of them.

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Have you any thoughts on who or how are the medals being faked?

Over the past 10 years we've seen fakes from Australia which were very poor quality, medals in frames that are correctly advertised as repro, there is also a genuine seller from Cork selling repro medals and advertises them as such.

Can you give more details on the fakes from N.I and the quality of them.

yes my good man there is guy in belfast who would have about 3 original medals and he using these to cast from and he is also using a lazer engraver also he has a gold smelt to make the cumm na bawn brooches and hes doing the tunic buttons,this same guy has had a merky past for selling faked goods hes even made newspaper headlines for this sort of behaviour but back to our topic hes selling the easter rising ,black n tan ,medals,broochs,you name it this guy can do it the main thing is for ex, theres an easter rising medal he looks to the records gets a recipitant details then he gets to work engraving the rising medal and a black n tan medal then sells them as a pair most of his buyers are from usa as ive been tracking his ebay aliases but in belfast ordinary people are buying one medal so as to say they have a piece of there history but the ordinary guy does not know whats right or wrong in these medals unfortuniately.i contacted a ebay seller who was selling a black n tan medal i asked him does he know anything about these medal ,his reply was no i said to him how do you know this is real he says he bought the medal of the guy i have described above and better than that he self appointed himself as an expert on easter rising items,now thats the way the situation is in belfast in northern ireland its rotten to the core with this faked stuff.i myself am a medal collector 15 years now im a member of a medal collecting club in lisburn and we are trying to isolate this guy thats why most of his items are going over seas to america or england as we advised most collectors about this particular guy,if you need more clarification do not hesitate contact me im always willing to help my fellow collector.

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Hello,

Thanks for the heads up on these.

Have you got any pictures of these fakes, and how good are they?

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Have you spoken to Trading Standards about this faker?

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Hello,

Thanks for the heads up on these.

Have you got any pictures of these fakes, and how good are they?

no i have not as this guy shows you a medal for a few minutes you only get to hold it if your buying but i know his ebay names when he appears i will post it on this forum,ok danny thanks for your reply.

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Have you spoken to Trading Standards about this faker?
hi megan trading standards know this guy better than himself as he has made newspaper headlines for similar items before and he has been fined but the trade n standards can never catch him as the clues are moved to somewhere else and that seems to be the way of it so its up to us to make our fellow collectors aware of him thats why im here now as i sat silent for so long and watched collectors like ourselves getting conned.pet

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Sir, I would be intrested in your thoughts on this ebay auction item from Northern Ireland a few months ago (the medal did not sell),

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443360.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443341.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443371.jpg

Yon mentioned "and cumm nabawn brooches". The same ebay seller had the following on a different date,your thoughts?

have you any photographs of any of the items you mentioned.

Edited by Irish1916

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Sir, I would be intrested in your thoughts on this ebay auction item from Northern Ireland a few months ago (the medal did not sell),

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Yon mentioned "and cumm nabawn brooches". The same ebay seller had the following on a different date,your thoughts?

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have you any photographs of any of the items you mentioned.

hi sir i remember those items if you look at the ribbon it seems to be a bit thicker in the cross grain of the cloth also the way it is stitched and the medal bar look at where the pin is situated half way across near the centre of the bar,and my dear friend look carefully at the medal side photo just near the centre of the thumb nail the point of the star edge can be seen if you look very carefully you can se the a centre line in the brass edge now that should not be it seems there has been a join there and the medal has been filed then painted to hide the join but with the pointed edges stick out of the medal paint has wore off and a bit of the line is still a bit visible,now the brooch are gold and as you know gold never tarnishes how to telll is the actual size they are a bit smaller and are either lighter are heavier as this guy has access to a gold smelt also my fellow collector im happy that you guys are reading my posts on the forum these are not right and as i try my best to clarify things do not buy any irish civil war items from belfast or northern ireland for me to say this saddens me as im sure there are people from northern ireland like myself who have 100% easter rising items ,but its better being safe than sorry after loosing big money and believe me the respectable gentleman from our medal club who lost ?2,000 pounds to this cowboy had a lot of sleepless nights and thats not good if your over 50 years old ,also this medal has the same marks as the medal that man from our medal club was conned with cause we compared them when these photos were on ebay a few months age,i hope ive helped you ,,pet.

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Sir, I would be intrested in your thoughts on this ebay auction item from Northern Ireland a few months ago (the medal did not sell),

post-2882-1227383547.jpgpost-2882-1227383695.jpgpost-2882-1227383715.jpg

Yon mentioned "and cumm nabawn brooches". The same ebay seller had the following on a different date,your thoughts?

post-2882-1227384121.jpg

have you any photographs of any of the items you mentioned.

also ive seen solid silver trinket boxes with the irish voulnteers cap badges lazer engraved in the face of the box being sold as original what this guy has done is to get an old hall marked silver trinket box then lazer engraved the irish vols cap badge on to it,also beware of belt buckles with the cap badge lazered engraved on to the chrome buckle they seem to be named to the ballinagh unit /company do not touch these either these are all coming from the same guy in belfast.

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Sir, I would be intrested in your thoughts on this ebay auction item from Northern Ireland a few months ago (the medal did not sell),

post-2882-1227383547.jpgpost-2882-1227383695.jpgpost-2882-1227383715.jpg

Yon mentioned "and cumm nabawn brooches". The same ebay seller had the following on a different date,your thoughts?

post-2882-1227384121.jpg

have you any photographs of any of the items you mentioned.

i hope ive been able to help you about this subject.pet.

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Hello to all irish collectors

I have been watching this site and reading what you have all been saying for nearly a year now and i now know that you all must have nothing better to do with your lives. I am a 100% serious collector of irish items, ie; Medals and so on. The only person or persons who has ever done these fakes "I am sorry to say are some collectors from Dublin" . I am going to give all you people out there who collect irish items a bit of advice "If you are going to buy a medal check the weight and make sure there are no lines around the sides to show that they have not been welded to together". People say that there has only been a certain amount of strikes made of these medals. To keep you all right no body knows how many. I as a collector am aware that some other people who collect these items are bad mouthing ebay are pre-paring to sell there items in the next big auction in Dublin. So why dont you "PLEASE!" Let the people get a deal on ebay and have the chance of owning one of these items.

The Collector

- County Limerick

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Hello to all irish collectors

I have been watching this site and reading what you have all been saying for nearly a year now and i now know that you all must have nothing better to do with your lives. I am a 100% serious collector of irish items, ie; Medals and so on. The only person or persons who has ever done these fakes "I am sorry to say are some collectors from Dublin" . I am going to give all you people out there who collect irish items a bit of advice "If you are going to buy a medal check the weight and make sure there are no lines around the sides to show that they have not been welded to together". People say that there has only been a certain amount of strikes made of these medals. To keep you all right no body knows how many. I as a collector am aware that some other people who collect these items are bad mouthing ebay are pre-paring to sell there items in the next big auction in Dublin. So why dont you "PLEASE!" Let the people get a deal on ebay and have the chance of owning one of these items.

The Collector

- County Limerick

dear collector yes i do have a life and i have things to do my great grandfather ,his brother ,his sister played major roles in the 1916 rising then proceeded north to engage the black n tans now my great uncle was shot dead in mayfair street belfast in 1922 by the black n tans and my great grand mother had a bayonet stab wound in her back from a black n tan soldier/murder squad,now its up to the likes of me that ther awards ie medals and honour be treated with respect they deserve,now for these ebay cowboys to fake thes medals its disrespectful and outragous,if you want to waste your hard earned money by all means buy these medals when they appear on ebay.but sir im not out to cause friction on this forum im only looking out for and trying to help people like you n me good decent medal and irish history personel as sir as ive explained ive seen people pay thousands for rubbish and any human being to see this happening if he be christian has to feel for there loss.ive kept the most important item to the last i dont like to correct people when there wrong but sir the easter rising ,n black n tan medals cumm na bawn brooches that are faked are not coming from dublin they are coming from one particular dealer from belfast as ive seen this person haranged out of collectors fairs and it hurts me to say this as im from belfast my self.so sir i hope ive shed a little light on this subject.pet

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Sir, I would be intrested in your thoughts on this ebay auction item from Northern Ireland a few months ago (the medal did not sell),

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443360.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443341.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-2882-1227443371.jpg

Yon mentioned "and cumm nabawn brooches". The same ebay seller had the following on a different date,your thoughts?

have you any photographs of any of the items you mentioned.

Hello,

These medals are 100% real. I met the person who was selling these at a medal fair in dublin a few months ago. They were checked by four other collectors.

The collector

-County Limerick

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Hello,

These medals are 100% real. I met the person who was selling these at a medal fair in dublin a few months ago. They were checked by four other collectors.

The collector

-County Limerick

sir i told you in my last reply to you im not out to cause friction in the forum im telling you the truth ,but sir if you dont want to believe you carry on with what you think is right as i have no sleepless nights wondering whats real and whats fake in my collection and i will clarify this to irish collectors home and abroad please do not buy any of these medals on ebay coming from belfast or northern ireland. and id like to say this to collectors home and abroad that anything i have purchased from dublin has been 100% the real thing and the dublin guys have been a pleasure to deal with.also my family has been involved in irish politics/the struggle from 1912 with jim larkin and james connolly and the socialist riots so i have awealth history in me and my family so im not the type of person to stay silent and watch cowboys con a living from what was a cause people struggled for.pet

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I know nothing about Irish medals and not much good about e-Bay, but I can I assume that both of you, "PET" and "IRISH COLLECTOR", are willing to provide your real names to this forum and, in the case of The Collector, at least the names and e-mail addresses of the 4 other collectors who are prepared to vouch for your goods?

I have absolutely no axe to grind here, but after thirty years of collecting and hanging about with collectors, I am sadly aware of how often disagreements turn into fights and even accusations of dishonesty. Presumably, since both of you want to clear the air and help bons fide collectors collect 'good' items, you'll want to give the rest of this forum as much information as you can to help us reach an accurate understanding as to what's really going on.

Interested but uninvolved

Peter

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I know nothing about Irish medals and not much good about e-Bay, but I can I assume that both of you, "PET" and "IRISH COLLECTOR", are willing to provide your real names to this forum and, in the case of The Collector, at least the names and e-mail addresses of the 4 other collectors who are prepared to vouch for your goods?

I have absolutely no axe to grind here, but after thirty years of collecting and hanging about with collectors, I am sadly aware of how often disagreements turn into fights and even accusations of dishonesty. Presumably, since both of you want to clear the air and help bons fide collectors collect 'good' items, you'll want to give the rest of this forum as much information as you can to help us reach an accurate understanding as to what's really going on.

Interested but uninvolved

hi peter i agree with you 100% and as ive stated before im not on the forum to cause friction im only looking out for our fellow collectors but im standing by my principles on this one im toatally honest nothing to hide thats ok if the guy does not want to hear what i have to say if im on this forum for another 25 years and ive helped just one collector from being conned then im happy.also the guy says about the dublin fakers i could not let this go as ive met the dublin collectors and they are a great bunch of lads always willing to help and they are a very trusting guys,so considering what the limerick guy had to say im not upset as hes intitled to share his views thats what a forum is for ive no axe to grind and i wish him the best.peter you seem to be a nice guy i admire your courage in approaching us on this issue and if you evr need anything from belfast or northern irelad just ask me im always willing to help.pet

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This topic has been cleansed of the foul mouthed juvenile posts which an unknown individual decided to post yesterday. I have identified the source of the postings and I am in contact with the Network Administrator of the academic Institutional network from which they were sent. Thankfully they are taking the abuse of their network seriously and can hopefully identify the individual student or staff member and will take appropriate action.

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Thanks for your prompt action, Nick. I shall now remove my comment about behaving like gentlemen as it was addressed to said individuals, not to Pet, Irish Collector or Peter who are having a reasonable discussion about the incidence and identification of fake Irish medals.

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thanks to nick for his good work on the forum lately.i met a man yesterday in belfast as theres a roddy mccorley museum in belfast there is a few easter rising medal ,black in tan medals to two brothers from tipperary and an irish voulnteers full uniform that belonged to one of the brothers with authentic paper work,also theres one of the original gpo brass door handles the contents of the museum were donated by republicans whose ancestors had preserved the artifacts for years its really fantastic,also theres a republican museum in belfast from 1916 to modern day items,if any fellow medal collectors from home and abroad ever visit belfast i would gladly meet these people and bring them to these two museums free of charge of coarse and ill treat them to coffee also so all you medal collector travellers put this in your visit notes and just email me thruogh the forum,im always willing to help ,pet.

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hi megan it was nice to read what you have to say on the forum lately,i think the guy who i have been describing ,,the belfast big time faker is most likely the guy who is trying to wreck the forum over the weekend ,and so as all us honest medal collectors can see that what i have been saying is the truth im only here to help people like ourselves from these fakers,thanks megan it was great to hear from ,pet

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Coffee? Go to Ireland & drink coffee pet? Have they stopped brewing Guinness then?

Have you any photos of the items you mention please? They sound very interesting - it's always nice to have attributale items, if not to an indivdual then to a time & place.

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Coffee? Go to Ireland & drink coffee pet? Have they stopped brewing Guinness then?

Have you any photos of the items you mention please? They sound very interesting - it's always nice to have attributale items, if not to an indivdual then to a time & place.

hi leigh its good to hear from you as im tea total i suppose i could change coffee for guinness for yourself ill be goin to the roddys mccorleys museum over the next few weeks and ill have photos to put this forum,pet.

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If I may draw on your expertise, folks - there are a couple of Black & Tan medals on the Liverpool Medals site (they are kind enough to allow me to use their pictures on my site) - could you take a look and advise if they are real or fakes? I don't want to display fake medals if I can avoid it!

http://www.liverpoolmedals.com/products-ca....html?ctid=2320 refers....

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If I may draw on your expertise, folks - there are a couple of Black & Tan medals on the Liverpool Medals site (they are kind enough to allow me to use their pictures on my site) - could you take a look and advise if they are real or fakes? I don't want to display fake medals if I can avoid it!

http://www.liverpoolmedals.com/products-ca....html?ctid=2320 refers....

Megan,

From the photos these appear to be original.

Regards,

Paul

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