Noor Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice Austrian ribbon bar arrived today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice Austrian ribbon bar arrived today! Hello!Congrats. All the bestNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) From the awards, this one looks like the lower row of two, doesn't it? Edited December 20, 2008 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yup. A career officer, nobleman, still alive after 1938. I remember once when the Irish Post Office went on strike for over a year. Two sets of Christmas cards back and forth from us cousins never got delivered. I guess things have changed over there--you've got better delivery than we do these days, what with all the thieves and pirates in the post office and customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 I was confused as well because the awards on it but Rick cleared out - second row... I really like it, quality is amazing and "weird" combination. But who was this person who split the group??? Thanks for the comments and help!I remember once when the Irish Post Office went on strike for over a year. Two sets of Christmas cards back and forth from us cousins never got delivered. I guess things have changed over there--you've got better delivery than we do these days, what with all the thieves and pirates in the post office and customs.I think same things happends all the time here! Also bank system is like it is.... . But this group I got from other irish guy here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 My next Austrian ribbon bar.Am I correct when I say it is an early version of the Austrian ribbon bar? Also when or how long period they used clips for them?Extreamly nice heavy devices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 As AH forces used the trifold ribbons on all awards a rather simple system was employed for the dress uniforms (which all too often were sometimes even field uniforms for the officers...) by simply sewing a series of straight loops along the uppr chest you could hang your full medlas without having to use a medal bar OR you could simply use these snaped ribbons to afix to the ribbon loops for a similar "smart" look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hi Guys...Here is my last random find. Some ribbon colors is washed badly out, so it does "reading" even harder. Can some more experienced forum member can help me or advice.As far I understand, its the bar from 20s to some kind civilian-army person.Awards:1. Civil Merit Medal (Red ribbon with the small white stripe in the middle)2. Order of Elisabeth/ Elisabeth Merit Cross/Medal 3. Military awards (Bravery/Merit/Franz Joseph, etc???)4. Military awards (Bravery/Merit/Franz Joseph, etc???)5. Military awards (Bravery/Merit/Franz Joseph, etc???)6. Merit Cross/Medal7. Merit Cross/Medal8. ????9. ???? (looks like Japanese????????) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 My next Austrian ribbon bar.Am I correct when I say it is an early version of the Austrian ribbon bar? Also when or how long period they used clips for them?Extreamly nice heavy devices! Noor,I don't know how long or even what period the snap on fasteners were used for attaching ribbon bars. Ribbons with the snaps on them turn up much more often than tunics do. I have only seen one tunic with the snap on devices on it and it was from approxiamtely circa 1890.Regards,Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hello,I think I need to do a deeper research but, in my opinion, ribbon bars have been introduced in Austria during WW1.In earlier times, full-size decorations were usually worn also in field conditions.Best wishes,Elmar Lang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Here is one more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 And next one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Like I understand.... last ribbon bar has...1. Order of the Iron Crown2. Order of Franz Joseph/Bravery or Merit medal3. Order of Franz Joseph (peace time)/Merit cross-medal4. ?????5. Merit cross/medal6. Order/Cross/Medal of Elizabeth7. ????8. Bavaria MVK?Is it look like a officer bar or career NCO? Period can be around end of WW1?All the comments would be very appriciated! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 No no. MOST peculiar with no swords devices on there, but1. Order of the Iron Crown2. Military Merit Cross 3rd Class (could be peacetime-- THAT award always same ribbon)3. Signum Laudis undoubtedly bronze (peacetime)4. Officers' 25 Years Service Cross5. 1898 Military Jubilee Medall6. 1908 Military Jubilee Cross7. 1912/13 Mobilization Cross8. Bavaria Military Merit Order (peacetime)Maybe circa 1916 since there is no Karl Troop Cross and maybe this early explains lack of Swords devices too. A Major or Oberstleutnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Thank you again! As always.... this forum is great place to learn! It's exactly a year now when I start collecting ribbon bars!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Few better pictures of this one. Still last ribbon is big question-mark to me. Can it be something foreign? To me it's look like Japanese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS Allen Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 As AH forces used the trifold ribbons on all awards a rather simple system was employed for the dress uniforms (which all too often were sometimes even field uniforms for the officers...) by simply sewing a series of straight loops along the uppr chest you could hang your full medlas without having to use a medal bar OR you could simply use these snaped ribbons to afix to the ribbon loops for a similar "smart" lookI've seen at least one early Japanese uniform that uses the same system, it was pre-WWI (probably pre-Boxer Rebellion, as it was a cavalry tunic and I suspect that the small Japanese cavalry arm got khaki tunics early, it was the blue type).Strange, though, because the Japanese never had any Austrian advisors that I'm aware of, and the Japanese Army mostly imitated whoever they were being advised by. ~TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dr. Ernst G?rtner, KUK doctor of medicine, commander of mobile aid station 1.Nice to see German China campaign medal on "foreign" bar. I also like it because it's my earliest plastic bar what I have probably.If someone have more info about this doctor, I would be very happy to hear. Also would like to find scan of his picture if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 I pop up this old threat... Does any of you guys have some information about Dr. Ernst Gärtner (KUK doctor of medicine, commander of mobile aid station 1). Especially about his service in China??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iver Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I pop up this old threat... Does any of you guys have some information about Dr. Ernst Gärtner (KUK doctor of medicine, commander of mobile aid station 1). Especially about his service in China??? Noor: In the book "Ehrenbuch der Österreichisch - Ungarischen Wehrmacht. Die Ausgezeichneten im Weltkrieg. I. Band - Allerhöchste Auszeichnungen verlautbart in der Zeit vom 1. August 1914 bis 31. Juli 1915" I have found only one doctor with name Gärtner: Gärtner Viktor Dr., OberArzt, IDSA.41 (Infanterie-Divisionssanitätsanstalt 41), GVK m.Kr. (Gold Merit Cross with Crown) awarded in 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iver Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 ...i have also one Austro-Hungarian ribbon, came just today to me.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 This here's my only one, probably to a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 3, 2010 Author Share Posted June 3, 2010 Very nice ones guys! Is there any uniform regulations around from pre WW1, what indicates ribbon bars in use, regulations (how many awards on the row, etc)? Would be interesting to learn more about them, when Austria established ribbon bars, was they made officially by whom, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 3, 2010 Author Share Posted June 3, 2010 ...i have also one Austro-Hungarian ribbon, came just today to me.. Is it just me but the swords device looks like German made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iver Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Noor: yes, the swords seems to be "german style"... but the ribbon is surely the end of WWI.... as faras i know, the "ribbon bars" in this form were estabilished only in 1917 under the rule of JCV ("his emperor´s higness") Karl I. in 1917 (Měřička)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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