EK 1914 Schinkel form ?

[Junger1418]

Hello guys !

I'm a new one in the forum. I'm not a specialist in Imperial awards !

I've read an article about Iron Cross and I've seen this expression to describe a cross : "Shinckel form" ??

Well, I've a question for you : what's the definition of a "Shinckel" cross ? What's a "schinckel form" ??Have you pics of a "schinckel form" and a "normal" to compare ? Can you help me ? Best regardsJunger1418

[gregM]

A Schinckel form cross is a early WW2 EK made from left over WW1 silver frames.

This was done utill production could get up to speed on the bigger WW2 style Iron crosses.

I do not have an example to show you but do a search and you will find many.

[Taz]

The term 'Schinkelform' gets its name from the original designer of the Iron Cross, whose general cross form remained pretty much unchanged through the 1914 issues.

When the 1939 Iron Cross was introduced, Hitler wanted it enlarged slightly and the overall shape slightly bigger and bolder.

Many of the original makers of the 1914 Cross continued to use up older stocks or older dies for frames to make the new 1939 versions, which were smaller and finer than the typical 1939 crosses; more like the old 1870's and 1914's.

LDO regulations eventually forced the licensed makers to switch to the broader frame. Therefore, the 1939 'Schinkelform' crosses are a somewhat rarer variation.

Regards Eddie

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http://mark_99701.tripod.com/WWIIGermanBadges/id3.html

Edited December 31, 2008 by Taz

[westfale]

Hi,

to compare it,?here the?EK 1st class; on the left an "schinkel"-cross and on the right the "normal" one.

regards

westfale

[Junger1418]

Hello boyzs !

Thanks for your help ! So can we says that all 1813, 1870 and 1870 are cross as "schinkel form" ?

Or does exist variations ?

Regards

Junger1418

:speechless:

[gregM]

So can we says that all 1813, 1870 and 1870 are cross as "schinkel form" ?

Or does exist variations ?

There are variations. WW1 crosses were still available to vets (and collectors) through WW2.

Some companies would put 1914 style cores int 1939 style frames. Sometimes they are refered

to as "replacement" crosses.

Here is an example of a 1939 sized cross made by B.H.Meyer on left and the smaller standard

sized 1914 on right.-----

[joe campbell]

an excellent group of photos!

i think Taz's photo best demonstrates the schinkel

style: each of the arms "fans out" about 2/3rf's of the way up

on the schinkel, whereas the '39 issue and replacement crosses

start to "fan out" about a third of the way up the arm.

i have always thought the schinkels were so much more

delicate appearing, and generally more appealling....

BUT THEY ARE ALL NICE!!!

joe