cabbell2207 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi Gang,just wanted to show some of my new additions.thanks :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 another view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Nice job!!! I really like the mounted police medals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 Nice job!!! I really like the mounted police medals!Thanks paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 It's a good collection of badges and medals. The older Engels Academy badge is getting harder to find and more expensive. The Meister Pilot's badge is especially hard to find. There were a couple on US e-bay recently that were "buy it now" for $35 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytop Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hi,in my opinion the Meister (M) pilot badge is not original, the original ones are without the hangers.Please see the Bartel catalogue from 1998, No. 781 "Stufe M (Meister) ohne Haken auf der R?ckseite"RegardsUwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Hi,in my opinion the Meister (M) pilot badge is not original, the original ones are without the hangers.Please see the Bartel catalogue from 1998, No. 781 "Stufe M (Meister) ohne Haken auf der R?ckseite"RegardsUwei havent seen any eveidence that they were not worn with hangers, it seem it would only make sence to see how many flight hours they had also. Edited March 5, 2009 by cabbell2207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytop Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hi cabbell2207 Sorry, but do you really think, that both top specialist for DDR orders and decorations, Frank Bartel and Klaus H.Feder write (and talk) nonsense? Frank Bartel: see the text in Post 6. Klaus H.Feder, Auszeichnungen der Nationalen Volksarmee der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, 1st edition 1994:"Die Abzeichen haben keine Befestigunsdr?hte [no connection wires/hangers] f?r Flugstundenanh?nger. Diese wurden bei der Herstellung vergessen [forgotten] und sollten nachtr?glich angebracht werden. Abzeichen mit Befestigungsdr?hten kamen nicht mehr zur Verleihung." No awards with hangers . With hangers it is a later production, post DDR/NVA. Uwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 It's true that the around 200 Meisterklasse Pilot's badges that were issued didn't have hangers. However, this badge came out very late, in 1988, close to German Unification. So it's entirely possible that Prawema produced a number of these with hangers just before or after Unification (Wende). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) Hi cabbell2207Sorry, but do you really think, that both top specialist for DDR orders and decorations, Frank Bartel and Klaus H.Feder write (and talk) nonsense?Frank Bartel: see the text in Post 6.Klaus H.Feder, Auszeichnungen der Nationalen Volksarmee der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, 1st edition 1994:"Die Abzeichen haben keine Befestigunsdr?hte [no connection wires/hangers] f?r Flugstundenanh?nger.Diese wurden bei der Herstellung vergessen [forgotten] und sollten nachtr?glich angebracht werden.Abzeichen mit Befestigungsdr?hten kamen nicht mehr zur Verleihung."No awards with hangers .With hangers it is a later production, post DDR/NVA.UweHi speedytopno you misunderstand me you are right i'm mearly saying i have not seen this.It has nothing to do with any author. Edited March 6, 2009 by cabbell2207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) It's true that the around 200 Meisterklasse Pilot's badges that were issued didn't have hangers. However, this badge came out very late, in 1988, close to German Unification. So it's entirely possible that Prawema produced a number of these with hangers just before or after Unification (Wende).Is there any way to tell Prawema from original issue medals and badges? :banger: Edited March 6, 2009 by cabbell2207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Is there any way to tell Prawema from original issue medals and badges? Cabbell2207 - Prawema was the maker of all NVA badges. They kept on producing badges after unification to keep their workforce employed. I've been told they were still selling badges as late as 1993. They also made restrikes of a number of older rarer badges. In the case of the late issue badges like the Master Pilot the badges produced during DDR time and after are nearly identical. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Cabbell2207 - Prawema was the maker of all NVA badges. They kept on producing badges after unification to keep their workforce employed. I've been told they were still selling badges as late as 1993. They also made restrikes of a number of older rarer badges. In the case of the late issue badges like the Master Pilot the badges produced during DDR time and after are nearly identical. KevinThank you all for the info. Well i must say i learned something today, knowledge is the key :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytop Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hi,I think, that this is an original:Uwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Uwe - Is it in your collection? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytop Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Yes, it was a part of a collection from an active NVA soldier, early in 1990.Here are some other pieces:Uwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Cabbell2207 - Looks like Uwe and I have taken over your thread.Uwe - Nice set of pilots hangers, I have all but the Red 4500, 5000 and the Blue 13,000 & 14,000. Unfortunately mine are a mix of the hangers for the new and old pilots badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbell2207 Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 Cabbell2207 - Looks like Uwe and I have taken over your thread.Uwe - Nice set of pilots hangers, I have all but the Red 4500, 5000 and the Blue 13,000 & 14,000. Unfortunately mine are a mix of the hangers for the new and old pilots badges.No thats o.k. i'm learning, nice items speedytop :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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